On 12 Feb 2013, at 20:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that we are
making an assumption about what a proposition is. In fact, if we
look closely, a proposition can only be another level of B. p is
really nothing but a group of sub-personal Beliefs (logarithmically
nested as B^n)
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which we are arbitrarily considered as a given condition...but there
is no given condition in actual experience.
That's why we put Bp & p. To get the condition of 1p experience. It
works as we get a non nameable, and non formalisable notion of
knowledge. S4 and S4Grz do succeed in meta-formalizing a thoroughly
non formalisable notion.
All experiences are contingent upon what the experiencer is capable
of receiving or interacting with.
Any proposition that can be named relies on some pre-existing
context (which is sensed or makes sense).
The problem with applying Doxastic models to consciousness is not
only that it amputates the foundations of awareness,
It does not for the reason above. Note that even Bp & p can lead to
falsity, in principle. Things get more complex when you add the non
monotonic layers, that we need for natural languages and for the
mundane type of belief or knowledge. Here, of course, with the goal of
deriving the correct physical laws; it is simpler to consider the case
of ideally correct machine, for which us, but not the machine itself
can know the equivalence.
Bruno
but that the fact of the amputation will be hidden by the results.
In Baudrillard's terms, this is a stage 3 simulacrum, (stage one = a
true reflection, stage two = a perversion of the truth, stage three
= a perversion which pretends not to be a perversion).
The third stage masks the absence of a profound reality, where the
simulacrum pretends to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no
original. Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no
representation is taking place and arbitrary images are merely
suggested as things which they have no relationship to. Baudrillard
calls this the "order of sorcery", a regime of semantic algebra
where all human meaning is conjured artificially to appear as a
reference to the (increasingly) hermetic truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation
This is made more important by the understanding that sense or
awareness is the source of authenticity itself. This means that
there can be no tolerance for any stage of simulation beyond 1. In
my hypotheses, I am always trying to get at the 1 stage for that
reason, because consciousness or experience, by definition, has no
substitute.
Craig
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