On 2/23/2013 7:57 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
my answer is simple, indeed:
we have only PARTIAL knowledge about anything,
Sure. But that doesn't prevent true beliefs. I believe there's a refrigerator in my
kitchen. Am I certain - no. Am I right - yes.
accumulating over millennia (and probably continuing to do so) - consequently ALL we can
cite as PROOF is based on such partial view, subject to improvement (change?) later on.
This is why I prefer the conditional voice in conclusions.
That's why I said 'depending on the standard of proof'. There are many propositions which
are 'proven' enough that I'm willing to act on them. Mathematical proofs are certain -
unfortunately they aren't necessarily true because they are only conditional on the axioms.
My essay dissappeared from the WEB when the carrier ISP discontinued it (Prodigy) around
2003 (without notice). I have a copy I consider a bit obsolete in my ongoing views, I
will e-mail it to you in a private mail. I hope it goes through.
I'll look forward to it.
Brent
John M
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:57 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
John, you have referred to your essay a few times but I have never seen it.
Is it
available on the web somewhere?
I wonder what you mean by "There is no ideally correct case."? Do you mean
it is
never the case that a belief is provable (I might agree with that -
depending on the
standard of proof). Do you mean it is never the case that a belief is true
(I
disagree with that). Or do you mean that neither of these is ideal?
Brent
On 2/21/2013 1:00 PM, John Mikes wrote:
(I THINK: Brent):
But then, according to you, if they happen to be true they are knowledge.
(I THINK: Bruno):
Yes, but "we" can't know that.
(again I THINK Brent:)
I'd say it's the other way around, scientists have no beliefs, only
hypotheses.
(again I THINK Bruno:) I define "belief" by "hypothesis" or "derived from
hypotheses". That's why in the ideally correct case, belief = provable.
This works
because provable does not entail truth.
JM: There is NO ideally correct case. I define 'belief' as being possibly
based on
hearsay as well (religious etc.)
(May I refer to my 2000 essay: Science - Religion, several times quoted on
these
pages).
JM
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