Brent: I side with Bruno (whatever it is worth). (And it doesn't comport with your own formula that "knowledge = true belief". My belief that there's a refrigerator in my kitchen *can be true*without being certain.
Exactly.) *Brent: Then you cannot assert that there is no knowledge in science.* *JM: "can be true..." - or not. We don't know. Nobody. Bruno's 'certainty' is also hypothetical (what my agnostic position may question.) It all depends how you (we?) define knowledge, certainty and 'true'. And the rest of it. John M * On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 16 Apr 2013, at 19:51, meekerdb wrote: > > On 4/16/2013 1:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > There is no knowledge as such in science. > > > That's contrary to all usage. It means I don't know the Earth is round > and I don't know there's a refrigerator in my kitchen. I understand these > are theories or models and that they are defeasible. > > > That's the point. That is important when we talk on science in science. > The usage is good for sending man on the moon, but in epistemological > research, we must be more cautious with the terming. > > > > But to say there is no knowledge because knowledge must be certain seems > perverse. > > > Knowledge must be true, not certain. Truth is anything but certain, in > most case. The only exception might be consciousness. > > > > > And it doesn't comport with your own formula that "knowledge = true > belief". My belief that there's a refrigerator in my kitchen can be true > without being certain. > > > Exactly. > > > Then you cannot assert that there is no knowledge in science. > > > Why? > > Bruno > > > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
