On 5/2/2013 7:29 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013  meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net 
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

     > It maybe that achieving intelligence via the  evolutionary paths 
available to
    animals on Earth did entail consciousness.

MAYBE?! There is quite simply NO way Evolution could have produced consciousness (and you and I know with absolute certainty that it did at least once and possibly twice and perhaps 20 billion times or more) if intelligence and consciousness were unrelated, and there are no ifs ands or buts about it.

    > But evolution always has to work by modifying what exists.  It's possible 
    there can be intelligent behavior, e.g. AI robots, that are not conscious

In the one and only example we have of the construction of intelligent and conscious things we note that the intelligent part was much more difficult and took much much longer to achieve than the conscious part; so you believe that in regard to robots the default assumption should be that achieving the conscious part will be much more difficult to achieve than the intelligent part. My friend that simply does not compute.

I didn't say anything about "default assumption"; I said "it's possible". In fact my prior estimate would be that any intelligence entails some kind of consciousness. But if consciousness arises from computation, then computationally different ways of implementing intelligent may well produce different kinds of consciousness.


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