On 5/2/2013 7:29 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
> It maybe that achieving intelligence via the evolutionary paths
animals on Earth did entail consciousness.
MAYBE?! There is quite simply NO way Evolution could have produced consciousness (and
you and I know with absolute certainty that it did at least once and possibly twice and
perhaps 20 billion times or more) if intelligence and consciousness were unrelated, and
there are no ifs ands or buts about it.
> But evolution always has to work by modifying what exists. It's possible
there can be intelligent behavior, e.g. AI robots, that are not conscious
In the one and only example we have of the construction of intelligent and conscious
things we note that the intelligent part was much more difficult and took much much
longer to achieve than the conscious part; so you believe that in regard to robots the
default assumption should be that achieving the conscious part will be much more
difficult to achieve than the intelligent part. My friend that simply does not compute.
I didn't say anything about "default assumption"; I said "it's possible". In fact my
prior estimate would be that any intelligence entails some kind of consciousness. But if
consciousness arises from computation, then computationally different ways of implementing
intelligent may well produce different kinds of consciousness.
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