Ok, Correction. Saddam was captured alive and hanged by the Iraqi government. The Bin Ladin thing I am guessing was more of a great fear by the Bush regime of ruining or underminning Pakistan's Musharef and the ISI. Bush 43 also had Saddam in his site, for the 1993 attempt by Saddam on Bush sr.'s life, which was part of the motivation (denied of course) for going into Iraqi (finishing up Daddy's screw up in 91-leaving Saddam in power). Bush 43 ignored deliberately, of Bin Ladens' existence in Pakistan. Agreed that Obama is Bush 43 on steroids, but with the Democratic partie's hunger to go after opponents. Call it the Chicago Way. On America's decline since Nixon, its the use of K-Street Lobbyists in DC, and the proponderence of Billionaires from Wall Street, from Hollywood have co-mingled as part of the elite that funds Obama. This is my understanding anyway. Yes, like Juan Peron-a mix of rich, poor, unions, academics, entertainment, racial groups, the young. My only point is that the old, Oligarchy wants the US to continue, and the current Oligarchy doesn't care.
-Mitch PS I agree with Telmo, but was hoping against hope-alas.. -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 9:09 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, [email protected] wrote: I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror looking like the war on drug. You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous than the drug policy, which is already a proof of "conspiracy/special interests". The NSA is non sense too. And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion. It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered questions. Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit. Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the exact same special interests. Bruno and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve. Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to this. Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops? -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: John, PGC, On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: Let me interject in &-marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the posts below John M On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email. But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are always able to do illegal things. The question is what preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was). The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so... &- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are collected without court order. That's already not acceptable. The Hoopla is only political. The "majority" in the poll voted for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'. NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in favor of the constitution makes you a "suspect of terrorism". I have mocked the "conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant. The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf. The problems is when the facts don't make sense. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/ The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant PGC Thanks guitar boy, This interview on the subject is quite interesting: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/ It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious circle. They know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks aggravating their case, and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done to defend the top of a pyramidal corrupted (and international) clan, but they take into hostage a large part of the middle class and what subsist of democracy. They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition, but it is also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious. Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just impossible. They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the meantime. Bruno Jason The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional. The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning. The private life has to be respected for all humans. It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest. Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you. &- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by smoking. I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic. Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists. After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to me suspiciously like the war on drug. The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that the government don't play with the rules. &- There is no "WAR ON TERROR" - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects. The term "war on drug" has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited by Reagan, and there is a "war on drugs", like there are many people sent in jail for non violent crime related to possession of marijuana. There is a "War on terror", since Bush junior. Since the start, the marijuana problem is a construct. the proof of a danger have all been debunked, each time. But today we know that real dangerous drug, when prohibited, become much more dangerous, as they will be sold by criminals who will target the kids and the sick people. Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative ensembles. When a governments lies systematically on a subject, it means they defend special interests, and not the interest of those who elected it, that hurts everybody. 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