On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:04, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 25 Jun 2013, at 12:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a
Bush conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who
slightly rose above his station as prez. He really didn't benefit
by 9-11,
The goal was the patriot act and NDAA-like policy, I am afraid. I
did not believe in conspiracy, because I thought the patriot act was
temporary, but the NDAA makes it indefinite making the war on terror
looking like the war on drug.
You might be right, but as I said, the NDAA is even more scandalous
than the drug policy, which is already a proof of "conspiracy/
special interests". The NSA is non sense too.
And the lack of transparency on 9/11 can only add suspicion.
It begins to look clear to me that the drug wrong-doers are only
protecting themselves. That both Saddam and Bin Laden were not
captured alive is also quite astonishing. It has become hard for me
to separate the prohibition scandal from the 9/11 unanswered
questions.
Since Nixon, the US democracy, and many others, seems to be
completely perverted. There are many things which do not fit.
Obama is Bush^Bush. I have stopped to believe in any difference
between republicans and democrats. They both continue to defend the
exact same special interests.
Bruno
It's amazing how complex the hype around this makes everything seem,
masking quite simple things:
Humans have always used war as a means to consolidate power and
accelerate/stimulate economic growth. In absence of a real foes and
forced to drop racism, humans turn to invent foes like terror,
drugs, sexual orientation, lifestyles, political tendencies, privacy
through cryptography... anything that will enable some reductionist
marking of a minority as "witch". Then print money without remorse
because "we're saving the world from itself".
Yes, governments will make it hurt but the trivial fact of the
matter remains: people are more likely to die in mundane, banal
circumstances like cars/infections than via terror etc.
Dying because people lies purposefully on medication is a form of
death by terrorism. The 80.000 people who dies in mexico due to
prohibition died also from a sort of planned terror. Governments does
not make it hurts, unless they are criminals. Even a non negligible
number of people who die by car accident, are indirect victims of the
laws tolerating a drug which *is* very dangerous for car driven, and
lying on others. Even the amount of CO_2 go up due to the special
interest in oil, as Henri Ford warned us right at the start.
But the worst, is that above some level of corruption, all criminals
get support, and are no more denounced in the press, it is the whole
general quality of everyone which pays the price. We can't even
imagine any politics, in the original sense of the term, making sense
in such context.
Whatever Snowden's motives, he has his eye on the ball that matters
when he says:
"We managed to survive greater threats in our history ... than a few
disorganized terrorist groups and rogue states without resorting to
these sorts of programs. It is not that I do not value intelligence,
but that I oppose ... omniscient, automatic, mass surveillance ....
That seems to me a greater threat to the institutions of free
society than missed intelligence reports, and unworthy of the costs."
Exactly. I find the NDAA quite more frightening than terrorism. NDAA
is planned state terrorism. I know that the supreme court try to
resist it, but it looks like 2013 has passed, and that it remains
fuzzy in the important passage.
Bruno
PGC
and he didn't pursue Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both
Clinton and Bush were asleep at the wheel, Clinton because of
ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve.
Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is
listed as a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police
and OW, as an intra-family spat. One between unionized police who
voted for BHO in 2008 and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am
sure they both, by in large, voted the same way in 2012. It was an
intra family conflict, and the Democratic party is quite used to
this.
Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops?
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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am
Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS
and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
John, PGC,
On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Let me interject in &-marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of
the posts below
John M
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal
<marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote:
There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But
people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with
encryption.
On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H.
Holder, Jr.
These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more
than
commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H.
Holder, Jr.
Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says
he can
from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email.
But it would have been illegal for him to do so. People are
always able to do illegal things. The question is what
preventive measures should be taken. Snowden was an IT tech who
was just supposed to keep the system running, so of course he
had the ability to tap data flows. But there should have been
some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that beyond
what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was).
The question is should it be legal for the government to collect
this data. The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and
polls say it's favor 62% to 34% by the public, so...
&- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses
are collected without court order.
That's already not acceptable.
The Hoopla is only political. The "majority" in the poll voted
for security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'.
NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a
mail in favor of the constitution makes you a "suspect of
terrorism".
I have mocked the "conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7,
but I have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama
signed it, I am just much less sure and more vigilant.
The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable
for human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a
sharp critique of the government(s), in this case they work in
our behalf.
The problems is when the facts don't make sense.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/
The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant
PGC
Thanks guitar boy,
This interview on the subject is quite interesting:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/
It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious
circle. They know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks
aggravating their case, and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done
to defend the top of a pyramidal corrupted (and international)
clan, but they take into hostage a large part of the middle class
and what subsist of democracy.
They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition,
but it is also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious.
Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just
impossible. They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the
meantime.
Bruno
Jason
The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13).
Those are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional.
The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning.
The private life has to be respected for all humans.
It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting
bandits into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for
special interest.
Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free
competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others,
and nobody can pretend for you what is good to you.
&- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of
YOUR sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g.
emphysema etc. by smoking.
I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic.
Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug
is a golden mine for bandits and terrorists.
After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to
look to me suspiciously like the war on drug.
The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences
add that the government don't play with the rules.
&- There is no "WAR ON TERROR" - nor ON DRUGS. There are
'efforts' and 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects.
The term "war on drug" has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited
by Reagan, and there is a "war on drugs", like there are many
people sent in jail for non violent crime related to possession of
marijuana.
There is a "War on terror", since Bush junior.
Since the start, the marijuana problem is a construct. the proof
of a danger have all been debunked, each time.
But today we know that real dangerous drug, when prohibited,
become much more dangerous, as they will be sold by criminals who
will target the kids and the sick people.
Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments
play by their own rules, not with rules of anybody else.
Governments ar exploitative ensembles.
When a governments lies systematically on a subject, it means they
defend special interests, and not the interest of those who
elected it, that hurts everybody.
Bruno
Bruno
&- John M
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