On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:27 PM,  <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I don't believe 9-11 was anything but a Jihadist conspiracy, not a Bush
> conspiracy. Bush was an enormously flawed elitist, who slightly rose above
> his station as prez. He really didn't benefit by 9-11, and he didn't pursue
> Bin Laden into Pakistan, in Dec 2001. Both Clinton and Bush were asleep at
> the wheel, Clinton because of ideology, Bush because he was, and is, naieve.
>
> Looking back to the OW organized protests of 2011 (now that OW is listed as
> a targeted group) I view the conflict between the police and OW, as an
> intra-family spat. One between unionized police who voted for BHO in 2008
> and OW which also voted for BHO in 2008. I am sure they both, by in large,
> voted the same way in 2012. It was an intra family conflict, and the
> Democratic party is quite used to this.
>
> Any more ideas on pc security? What about virtual desktops?

You're wasting your time. Securing your computer is pointless when the
network is compromised.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2013 5:51 am
> Subject: Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H.
> Holder, Jr.
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2013, at 08:14, Jason Resch wrote:
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>
>> John, PGC,
>>
>> On 21 Jun 2013, at 02:24, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me interject in &-marked BOLD ITALICS lines into the texts of the
>>> posts below
>>> John M
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2013, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP.  But people
>>>> generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder,
>>>> Jr.
>>>>
>>>> These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than
>>>> commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.
>>>> Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can
>>>> from his desktop listen to your telephone and read your email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it would have been illegal for him to do so.  People are always able
>>>> to do illegal things.  The question is what preventive measures should be
>>>> taken.  Snowden was an IT tech who was just supposed to keep the system
>>>> running, so of course he had the ability to tap data flows.  But there
>>>> should have been some administrative oversight to keep him from doing that
>>>> beyond what was necessary for his work (and maybe there was).
>>>>
>>>> The question is should it be legal for the government to collect this
>>>> data.  The Supreme Court has said it's Constitutional and polls say it's
>>>> favor 62% to 34% by the public, so...
>>>>
>>>> &- The overall collection of DATA is a hoax: only the addresses are
>>>> collected without court order.
>>
>>
>> That's already not acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> The Hoopla is only political. The "majority" in the poll voted for
>>>> security: to eliminate potential violent acts by 'enemies'.
>>
>>
>> NDAA + FBI makes many enemies. According to the FBI, to write a mail in
>> favor of the constitution makes you a "suspect of terrorism".
>>
>> I have mocked the "conspiracy 9/11 theory, despite the building 7, but I
>> have mocked also those who announce the NDAA. After Obama signed it, I am
>> just much less sure and more vigilant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> The Copnstitution is a 300yo thinking in medieval terms, usable for
>>>> human principles, not the FACTS in our 21st c. life. I am a sharp critique
>>>> of the government(s), in this case they work in our behalf.
>>
>>
>> The problems is when the facts don't make sense.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/20/nsa-surveillance-fisa-court/2442899/
>>
>> The Guardian article + documents referred to in both links:
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant
>> PGC
>>
>>
>> Thanks guitar boy,
>>
>
> This interview on the subject is quite interesting:
> http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/19/podcast-show-112-nsa-whistleblower-goes-on-record-reveals-new-information-names-culprits/
>
>
>
> It is very grave. The bandits get involve into a dark vicious circle. They
> know that we know, and so develop paranoid tricks aggravating their case,
> and their paranoïa, etc. All this is done to defend the top of a pyramidal
> corrupted (and international) clan, but they take into hostage a large part
> of the middle class and what subsist of democracy.
>
> They got power thanks to alcohol and then marijuana prohibition, but it is
> also their fatal error, because the lies become obvious.
>
> Now, to survive they have to control the net, but that is just impossible.
> They are doomed, but they will hurt a lot in the meantime.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> The US government is doing the dictator trick (NDAA 12, NDAA 13). Those
>>>> are not just non-constitutional they are anti-constitutional.
>>>>
>>>> The human rights applies to all humans, or they lost their meaning.
>>>>
>>>> The private life has to be respected for all humans.
>>>>
>>>> It seems clear to me that prohibition has succeeded in putting bandits
>>>> into power, which makes legal or illegal things only for special interest.
>>>>
>>>> Health should be separated from the state, like religion. Free
>>>> competition has to be allowed among all art of helping others, and nobody
>>>> can pretend for you what is good to you.
>>>
>>> &- Except if YOU require the community to PAY for the curing of YOUR
>>> sicknesses (maybe caused by YOUR own negligence) e.g. emphysema etc. by
>>> smoking.
>>
>>
>> I personally disagree with this. But it is out of topic.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Some people do money on fears and catastrophes. The war on drug is a
>>>> golden mine for bandits and terrorists.
>>>> After the NDAA 12 I am afraid that the war on terror begins to look to
>>>> me suspiciously like the war on drug.
>>>>
>>>> The notion legal/illegal must be relativized when the evidences add that
>>>> the government don't play with the rules.
>>>
>>> &- There is no "WAR ON TERROR" - nor ON DRUGS. There are 'efforts' and
>>> 'lies'. Against CERTAIN aspects.
>>
>>
>> The term "war on drug" has been introduced by Nixon, and exploited by
>> Reagan, and there is a "war on drugs", like there are many people sent in
>> jail for non violent crime related to possession of marijuana.
>> There is a "War on terror", since Bush junior.
>>
>> Since the start, the marijuana problem is a construct. the proof of a
>> danger have all been debunked, each time.
>> But today we know that real dangerous drug, when prohibited, become much
>> more dangerous, as they will be sold by criminals who will target the kids
>> and the sick people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Others are accepted as 'money making' endeavours. The governments play by
>>> their own rules, not with rules of anybody else. Governments ar exploitative
>>> ensembles.
>>
>>
>> When a governments lies systematically on a subject, it means they defend
>> special interests, and not the interest of those who elected it, that hurts
>> everybody.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>
>>>
>>> &- John M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
>>>>
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