On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 30 Sep 2013, at 14:05, Telmo Menezes wrote <to Craig>: > > > The comp assumption that computations have > > qualia hidden inside them is not much of an answer either in my view. > > > I have the same problem. > > > The solution is in the fact that all machines have that problem. More > exactly: all persons capable of surviving a digital substitution must have > that and similar problems. It is a sort of meta-solution explaining that we > are indeed confronted to something which is simply totally unexplainable. > > Note also that the expression "computation have qualia" can be misleading. A > computation has no qualia, strictly speaking. Only a person supported by an > infinity of computation can be said to have qualia, or to live qualia. Then > the math of self-reference can be used to explain why the qualia have to > escape the pure third person type of explanations.
Thanks Bruno. Is there some formal proof of this? Can it be followed by a mere mortal? > A good exercise consists in trying to think about what could like an > explanation of what a qualia is. Even without comp, that will seem > impossible, and that explains why some people, like Craig, estimate that we > have to take them as primitive. here comp explains, why there are things > like qualia, which can emerge only in the frist person points of view, and > admit irreductible components. > > Bruno > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
