2013/10/27 John Clark <[email protected]> > > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I came across this today, which you might find of interest: >> http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9709032v1.pdf In particular section 3 goes >> to great pains to describe the importance of the first person / third >> person distinction. >> >> > Of course it's important, but I didn't need Bruno's help to figure that > out. And I especially agree when is says "To avoid linguistic confusion it > is crucial that we distinguish between the outside view of the world [from > ] the inside view". Yes, we must avoid linguistic confusion! > > It's true that in everyday usage there is no linguistic confusion and it > would be silly to keep asking "what do you mean by the pronoun "you?", but > this is very far from everyday usage. This is a thought experiment > involving identity duplicating machines and is a vital part of a proof that > is trying to find something new about the very thing that is being > duplicated, identity. Under those very very exotic circumstances the > meaning of the personal pronoun "you" is far from obvious. And if the > meaning of "you" is vague then the difference between 1p and 3p is vague > too, and that is not acceptable in a proof that claims to be mathematically > precise. > > So when Bruno asks "will you in Helsinki survive the duplication?" or > "what city will you see?" it depends entirely on what "you" means. To me, > and to Bruno too before he panicked and backpedaled, >
This is a blatant proof of lies that John Clark likes to do. > "you" is the guy(s) who remembers being the Helsinki Man; thus I would > answer that yes "you" will survive and "you" will see both Moscow and > Washington. And if the ASCII sequence y-o-u means something different in > another language then John Clark would answer the questions differently. > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
