2013/10/29 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > > > > 2013/10/29 John Clark <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> If John Clark was lying and Bruno has not changed his mind and "you" >>>> is still "the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki" then it is >>>> beyond dispute that YOU will see BOTH Moscow AND Helsinki. >>>> >>> >>> > It is correct from 3rd POV, >>> >> >> Yes. >> >> > not from 1st POV... >>> >> >> Bruno asked me "Do you think that you die in a self-duplication >> experience?" and I said that depends on what the meaning of "you" is. Bruno >> responded with "We have already agree that "you" concerns the guy(s) who >> will remember having been in Helsinki", and that was fine with me because >> that is the meaning of the personal pronoun "you" that I like best. So I >> answered Bruno's question in a clear no nonsense way, I said "no, I don't >> think you die in a self-duplication experience". In those circumstances and >> given Bruno's definition of the pronoun what answer would you give? >> > > That I don't die. > > >> >> Then Bruno started putting all sorts of additional caveats and >> restrictions on the meaning of "you" that were very unclear. >> > > He did not... > > >> So apparently we HAVEN'T already agree that "you" concerns the guy(s) who >> will remember having been in Helsinki. >> > > That has *always* been the definition. > > >> It was at this point that I said Bruno was backpedaling and you started >> screaming personal insults. >> > > He never did. > > >> >> > same thing in MWI. In MWI, you'll see from 1st POV *one* definite >>> result, >>> >> >> No. If MWI is correct then there are TWO 1st POV and you sees *two* >> definite results, >> > > No *each you* sees only *one* result. > > >> and every experiment ever performed has only produced half the amount of >> information needed to disprove it. >> > > The only question ask is the probability you see moscow (resp. washington) > likewise in MWI the question ask is the probality you see spin up... > Answering 100% is simply false from 1st POV as can be seen by >
looking > at the diary. > > >> True you see only spin up but if MWI is correct you has been duplicated >> and we haven't heard what that other fellow saw yet. >> > > We don't care, if you accept probability with MWI so should you in the > self-duplication thought experiment, and that's the only > point > of step 3 and always > has > been. > > Quentin > >> >> John K Clark >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
