2013/10/29 John Clark <[email protected]> > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> If John Clark was lying and Bruno has not changed his mind and "you" >>> is still "the guy(s) who will remember having been in Helsinki" then it is >>> beyond dispute that YOU will see BOTH Moscow AND Helsinki. >>> >> >> > It is correct from 3rd POV, >> > > Yes. > > > not from 1st POV... >> > > Bruno asked me "Do you think that you die in a self-duplication > experience?" and I said that depends on what the meaning of "you" is. Bruno > responded with "We have already agree that "you" concerns the guy(s) who > will remember having been in Helsinki", and that was fine with me because > that is the meaning of the personal pronoun "you" that I like best. So I > answered Bruno's question in a clear no nonsense way, I said "no, I don't > think you die in a self-duplication experience". In those circumstances and > given Bruno's definition of the pronoun what answer would you give? >
That I don't die. > > Then Bruno started putting all sorts of additional caveats and > restrictions on the meaning of "you" that were very unclear. > He did not... > So apparently we HAVEN'T already agree that "you" concerns the guy(s) who > will remember having been in Helsinki. > That has *always* been the definition. > It was at this point that I said Bruno was backpedaling and you started > screaming personal insults. > He never did. > > > same thing in MWI. In MWI, you'll see from 1st POV *one* definite result, >> > > No. If MWI is correct then there are TWO 1st POV and you sees *two* > definite results, > No *each you* sees only *one* result. > and every experiment ever performed has only produced half the amount of > information needed to disprove it. > The only question ask is the probability you see moscow (resp. washington) likewise in MWI the question ask is the probality you see spin up... Answering 100% is simply false from 1st POV as can be seen by lookint at the diary. > True you see only spin up but if MWI is correct you has been duplicated > and we haven't heard what that other fellow saw yet. > We don't care, if you accept probability with MWI so should you in the self-duplication thought experiment, and that's the only of step 3 and always have been. Quentin > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
