Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote: > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > 2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively > suggests" > >> > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, > your > >> > insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited. > >> > >> And now you propagate the violence to people who have nothing to do > >> with this discussion. As much as I typically disagree with what Roger > >> says (and don't understand what Stephan Lin says), I don't like this > >> sort of reference. This is just good old-fashioned bullying. > > > > > > It's also true, but these people did everything to deserve that sort of > > "bullying", nobody forced these two individuals to spam the list. > > I would be ok with banning them for spamming, but I don't think that > anyone deserves bullying. > > > Quentin > >> > >> > >> > > >> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I > respect > >> >> intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument. > >> >> > >> >> Quentin > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > >> >>> > >> >>> Intuition > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] > > > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" <[email protected]> a > écrit : > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a > roger > >> >>>> > or > >> >>>> > stephen lin. Richard > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that > we've > >> >>>> found a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang? > >> >>>> Quentin > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux > >> >>>> > <[email protected]> > >> >>>> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> 2013/10/31 John Clark <[email protected]> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux > >> >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> As I said before there is a profound difference between > the > >> >>>> >>>>> >> two. After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE > >> >>>> >>>>> >> person is seen by a > >> >>>> >>>>> >> third party so it's easy to determine who "you" is and > easy > >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine if > >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions about what "you" will see were right or wrong, > >> >>>> >>>>> >> but with Bruno's > >> >>>> >>>>> >> thought experiment TWO people can be clearly seen that > have > >> >>>> >>>>> >> a equal right to > >> >>>> >>>>> >> the title "you" which means that the predictions about > what > >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you" will see > >> >>>> >>>>> >> are useless. And another difference is that Everett was > >> >>>> >>>>> >> talking about > >> >>>> >>>>> >> prediction and probability, and neither has anything to do > >> >>>> >>>>> >> with identity or > >> >>>> >>>>> >> a sense of self. [...] In Everett's case we know who > "you" > >> >>>> >>>>> >> is, it's the > >> >>>> >>>>> >> only fellow we see. In Bruno's case right now we see 2 > >> >>>> >>>>> >> people clear as a > >> >>>> >>>>> >> bell and both are called "you" and both saw different > >> >>>> >>>>> >> things, and that makes > >> >>>> >>>>> >> meaningless the question asked yesterday "what is the > >> >>>> >>>>> >> probability "you" will > >> >>>> >>>>> >> see X?". [...] The diary is useless because the diary > was > >> >>>> >>>>> >> written by "you" > >> >>>> >>>>> >> and contains predictions about the further adventures of > >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you", but now > >> >>>> >>>>> >> there are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" and no > way > >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine > >> >>>> >>>>> >> which one the diary was referring to. And the diary is > >> >>>> >>>>> >> useless because good > >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions have no more to do with identity or a sense of > >> >>>> >>>>> >> self than bad > >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions. > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > So are you at last ready to reject MWI...? if you don't, you > >> >>>> >>>> > are > >> >>>> >>>> > not consistent > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been > >> >>>> >>> having on this thread: > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> No you got it wrong, see previous message for the real steps... > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> Anyway, if 've waited too much to put you in the boitakon, meet > >> >>>> >> roger > >> >>>> >> and stephen li... you'll never acknowledge you're wrong, because > >> >>>> >> you're just > >> >>>> >> a troll. > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> Quentin > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> Step 1: Quentin Anciaux states that John Clark treats Everett's > >> >>>> >>> ideas and Bruno's ideas inconsistently. > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> Step 2: John Clark points out the ways Everett's ideas about > >> >>>> >>> probability and prediction and Bruno's ideas about the nature > of > >> >>>> >>> self are > >> >>>> >>> fundamentally different. > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> Step 3: Quentin Anciaux neither agrees nor disagrees with John > >> >>>> >>> Clark's points. > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> Step 4: Quentin Anciaux inserts one or more personal insults > >> >>>> >>> directed at John Clark. > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> Step 5: GOTO step 1. > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> John k Clark > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> > >> >>>> >>> -- > >> >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > >> >>>> >>> Google > >> >>>> >>> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > >> >>>> >>> send an email to [email protected]. > >> >>>> >>> To post to this group, 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