2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > wrote: > > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests" > > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your > > insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited. > > And now you propagate the violence to people who have nothing to do > with this discussion. As much as I typically disagree with what Roger > says (and don't understand what Stephan Lin says), I don't like this > sort of reference. This is just good old-fashioned bullying. >
It's also true, but these people did everything to deserve that sort of "bullying", nobody forced these two individuals to spam the list. Quentin > > > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I respect > >> intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument. > >> > >> Quentin > >> > >> > >> 2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Intuition > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" <[email protected]> a écrit : > >>>> > > >>>> > John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger > or > >>>> > stephen lin. Richard > >>>> > >>>> What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that we've > >>>> found a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang? > >>>> Quentin > >>>> > > >>>> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux < > [email protected]> > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> 2013/10/31 John Clark <[email protected]> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux > >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>> >> As I said before there is a profound difference between the > >>>> >>>>> >> two. After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE > person is seen by a > >>>> >>>>> >> third party so it's easy to determine who "you" is and easy > to determine if > >>>> >>>>> >> predictions about what "you" will see were right or wrong, > but with Bruno's > >>>> >>>>> >> thought experiment TWO people can be clearly seen that have > a equal right to > >>>> >>>>> >> the title "you" which means that the predictions about what > "you" will see > >>>> >>>>> >> are useless. And another difference is that Everett was > talking about > >>>> >>>>> >> prediction and probability, and neither has anything to do > with identity or > >>>> >>>>> >> a sense of self. [...] In Everett's case we know who "you" > is, it's the > >>>> >>>>> >> only fellow we see. In Bruno's case right now we see 2 > people clear as a > >>>> >>>>> >> bell and both are called "you" and both saw different > things, and that makes > >>>> >>>>> >> meaningless the question asked yesterday "what is the > probability "you" will > >>>> >>>>> >> see X?". [...] The diary is useless because the diary was > written by "you" > >>>> >>>>> >> and contains predictions about the further adventures of > "you", but now > >>>> >>>>> >> there are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" and no way > to determine > >>>> >>>>> >> which one the diary was referring to. And the diary is > useless because good > >>>> >>>>> >> predictions have no more to do with identity or a sense of > self than bad > >>>> >>>>> >> predictions. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > So are you at last ready to reject MWI...? if you don't, you > are > >>>> >>>> > not consistent > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been > >>>> >>> having on this thread: > >>>> >>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> No you got it wrong, see previous message for the real steps... > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Anyway, if 've waited too much to put you in the boitakon, meet > roger > >>>> >> and stephen li... you'll never acknowledge you're wrong, because > you're just > >>>> >> a troll. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Quentin > >>>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Step 1: Quentin Anciaux states that John Clark treats Everett's > >>>> >>> ideas and Bruno's ideas inconsistently. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Step 2: John Clark points out the ways Everett's ideas about > >>>> >>> probability and prediction and Bruno's ideas about the nature of > self are > >>>> >>> fundamentally different. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Step 3: Quentin Anciaux neither agrees nor disagrees with John > >>>> >>> Clark's points. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Step 4: Quentin Anciaux inserts one or more personal insults > >>>> >>> directed at John Clark. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Step 5: GOTO step 1. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> John k Clark > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> -- > >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> >>> Groups "Everything List" group. > >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >>>> >>> send an email to [email protected]. > >>>> >>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>> >>> [email protected]. > >>>> >>> Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > >>>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > 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