On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > OK. I should have said "suggests intuitively: or "intuitively suggests" >> > rather than merely "suggests that the universe is finite". However, your >> > insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited. >> >> And now you propagate the violence to people who have nothing to do >> with this discussion. As much as I typically disagree with what Roger >> says (and don't understand what Stephan Lin says), I don't like this >> sort of reference. This is just good old-fashioned bullying. > > > It's also true, but these people did everything to deserve that sort of > "bullying", nobody forced these two individuals to spam the list.
I would be ok with banning them for spamming, but I don't think that anyone deserves bullying. > Quentin >> >> >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I respect >> >> intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument. >> >> >> >> Quentin >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >>> Intuition >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, "Richard Ruquist" <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>>> > >> >>>> > John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger >> >>>> > or >> >>>> > stephen lin. Richard >> >>>> >> >>>> What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that we've >> >>>> found a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang? >> >>>> Quentin >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> >>>> > <[email protected]> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> 2013/10/31 John Clark <[email protected]> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux >> >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>>> >> As I said before there is a profound difference between the >> >>>> >>>>> >> two. After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE >> >>>> >>>>> >> person is seen by a >> >>>> >>>>> >> third party so it's easy to determine who "you" is and easy >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine if >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions about what "you" will see were right or wrong, >> >>>> >>>>> >> but with Bruno's >> >>>> >>>>> >> thought experiment TWO people can be clearly seen that have >> >>>> >>>>> >> a equal right to >> >>>> >>>>> >> the title "you" which means that the predictions about what >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you" will see >> >>>> >>>>> >> are useless. And another difference is that Everett was >> >>>> >>>>> >> talking about >> >>>> >>>>> >> prediction and probability, and neither has anything to do >> >>>> >>>>> >> with identity or >> >>>> >>>>> >> a sense of self. [...] In Everett's case we know who "you" >> >>>> >>>>> >> is, it's the >> >>>> >>>>> >> only fellow we see. In Bruno's case right now we see 2 >> >>>> >>>>> >> people clear as a >> >>>> >>>>> >> bell and both are called "you" and both saw different >> >>>> >>>>> >> things, and that makes >> >>>> >>>>> >> meaningless the question asked yesterday "what is the >> >>>> >>>>> >> probability "you" will >> >>>> >>>>> >> see X?". [...] The diary is useless because the diary was >> >>>> >>>>> >> written by "you" >> >>>> >>>>> >> and contains predictions about the further adventures of >> >>>> >>>>> >> "you", but now >> >>>> >>>>> >> there are 2 (or more) people with the title "you" and no way >> >>>> >>>>> >> to determine >> >>>> >>>>> >> which one the diary was referring to. And the diary is >> >>>> >>>>> >> useless because good >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions have no more to do with identity or a sense of >> >>>> >>>>> >> self than bad >> >>>> >>>>> >> predictions. >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> > So are you at last ready to reject MWI...? if you don't, you >> >>>> >>>> > are >> >>>> >>>> > not consistent >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> The following is a flow diagram of the conversation we've been >> >>>> >>> having on this thread: >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> No you got it wrong, see previous message for the real steps... >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Anyway, if 've waited too much to put you in the boitakon, meet >> >>>> >> roger >> >>>> >> and stephen li... you'll never acknowledge you're wrong, because >> >>>> >> you're just >> >>>> >> a troll. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Quentin >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Step 1: Quentin Anciaux states that John Clark treats Everett's >> >>>> >>> ideas and Bruno's ideas inconsistently. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Step 2: John Clark points out the ways Everett's ideas about >> >>>> >>> probability and prediction and Bruno's ideas about the nature of >> >>>> >>> self are >> >>>> >>> fundamentally different. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Step 3: Quentin Anciaux neither agrees nor disagrees with John >> >>>> >>> Clark's points. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Step 4: Quentin Anciaux inserts one or more personal insults >> >>>> >>> directed at John Clark. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Step 5: GOTO step 1. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> John k Clark >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> -- >> >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> >>>> >>> Google >> >>>> >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >> >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> >>>> >>> send an email to [email protected]. >> >>>> >>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>>> >>> [email protected]. >> >>>> >>> Visit this group at >> >>>> >>> 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