What "pause" in global warming? 

The "pause" that the skeptics hold so dear is a chimera, a statistical
error. It is an artifact of not correctly weighting the very rapid rise in
arctic mean temperatures as has been confirmed by a new study using
satellite data to fill in the many large gaps in temperature data from the
polar regions. Kevin Cowtan of York University and Robert Way of Ottawa
University found a way of estimating Arctic temperatures from satellite
readings, the so-called pause effectively disappeared and the global warming
signal returned as strong as before.

Time to give a rest to all this loose talk about a pause.

Chris

 

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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Nuclear power

 

The acidification issue must be pursued. Is it or ain't it. As far as the
climate goes, we have the pause. The pause may end or t may continue for
centuries. It seems related to El Nino. It still leaves us empty-handed if
we want to replace dirty with queen. We're speaking of terawatts here. 

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From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Nuclear power

On 11/19/2013 10:26 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>> Everybody has an opinion but nobody knows the true cost of CO2 emissions,
and nobody will know for decades and perhaps centuries. 

> That's ignoring the science that says it's going to be pretty high if we
continue to increase it. 

 

You've got to give it a number and a number we can have confidence in;
"pretty high" is useless 


There are plenty of explicit estimates of the cost of sea level rise.  Other
costs are harder to predict: How much will ocean acidification affect sea
life and fishing?  How will rain patterns changing affect agriculture?  If
we could put a high confidence lower bound on the cost, say 90% confidence
it will cost more than 10T$, do you think that would cause anyone to take
action?  or just bring up more doubts and obfuscation?




because the cost of giving up fossil fuels before a replacement is found to
the quality of life of 7 billion people on this planet will be "pretty high"
too. 



That's spudboy's straw man.  Nobody suggests giving up fossil fuel without
replacement.  What is suggested in spending more money on replacements and
taxing fossil fuel to pay for it.




And remember, it's much more expensive to spend a dollar now than spend a
dollar in 50 years, so I believe that right now the best course of action
regarding CO2 is to delay action. 


Depends on what action you're talking about delaying.  Fifty years is not
far away in terms of developing commercial LFTRs or creating a more
efficient DC electrical grid.




Our grandparents didn't make huge sacrifices to their lifestyle to solve
some vague 


Global warming isn't vague.  It's quite explicit.  It's just that local
effects, beyond sea level rise, are hard to predict.




very long range problem that might not even turn out to be important so lets
do the same. I say let your grandchildren solve their own damn problems just
as we did, and besides, they will have much better tools to fix things if
they need fixing than we do. 


They won't have the tools unless somebody develops them.

Brent

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