I hope you don't mind I re-answer this.
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or
Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An,
Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares,
Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian,
Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin,
Bragi, Brahma, Brent, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos,
Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-huang, Clapton,
Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di
Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, Ereskigal,
Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, Gaia,
Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Guanyin, Hades,
Hanuman, Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o),
Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei,
Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Iris, Ishtar,
Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jehovah, Jupiter,
Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau,
Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto, Liza,
Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, Mars, Mazu, Medb,
Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, Mummu, Muses,
Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, Nephthys,
Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua,
Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan,
Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon,
Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, RheaSabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva,
Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-
Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca,
Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-
Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Vediovis, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam,
Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and Zeus. But I see no
reason to believe any of them exist.
So the question is: do you see a reason to disbelieve all of them?
What if the list just missed the one that exists?
As far as I know, honestly, it seems to me that only Ganesh, or
Ganesha, is incompatible with comp.
I really love Ganesh, though, perhaps for that very reason. When kid,
Ganesh made his father angry and the angry father cut Ganesh's head,
and threw it away. Her mother was *very* angry, and ordered the father
do find a new head quickly, and the father, in the hurry, cut the head
of of the first elephant passing by, and that is why Ganesh has an
elephant head (which reminds me of the cuttlefish which I love even
I guess you see the problem with comp. It is a version of the brain-
exchanged thought experience. But is it really contradictory with
comp? That's needs the thought experiences with (degrees of) amnesia,
and addressing the question who are we and how many person really exist.
But how could I argue about Ohyamatsumi or RheaSabazius, Tlaloc? I
would need to study their stories to conclude.
Also, it looks that list misses the divinities that you can met by
smoking some herb, like the four kanobo Gods, and Daunarani, ... with
tobacco, or simply Maria, you know, the Mother of God, that you can
meet with Salvia (according to the Christian Mazatecs).
There is no algorithm capable of deciding of two machines computes or
not the same function, so you can imagine the difficulties with the
nameable non machines, or gods and goddesses.
And the big one, cannot be in such a list, I guess.
We might try to decide on a definition of "atheism", as that
notion is very unclear, and I have rarely obtain a definition on
which atheists agreed.
It's as clear as the negation of 'theist'.
But "theist" is not clear.
My point exactly.
But if you agree that "theist" is not clear, you agree that "atheist"
is not clear either.
It creates an opposition where I see beliefs everywhere, and good
willing people trying to understand each others, mixed with people who
I have many sympathy for many atheists, and I share with them
important ideas, like no artificial magic, occam razor, rationalism,
and the anticleralism, and the "anti-autoritarism" (of the first one),
but they get trapped in* believing* they have solved the theological
question, or trapped in the deny that there was even a question,
leading to a form of "don't ask", which slow down the possible
progresses, and becomes an autoritarist meme by itself.
Some identify "God" with the God of their own culture. In science,
we try to get a concept as independent of human and culture as
I use "God" in the greek sense of Truth (the one that we can
search about us, or hope or fear, in life and afterlife, whatever
Except nobody here is speaking Greek. And the Greeks had plenty
of gods that had nothing to do with truth; in fact they were given
I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did
invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if
terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and
the use of authoritative arguments, by Christians, Muslims, and
perhaps by the Jewish (with Maimonides, to some extent).
Christianity, specifically Aquinas and Augustine, tried to merge
Greek philosophy into the Jewish Messianic religion of
Christianity. But the abrahamic religions owe far more to the
Babylonian, Egyptian, and Zoroastrian religions than to Greek.
OK. But let us not confuse the terrestrial implementation of the
religious process and the true relations that machines can have with
As I said, thanks to Babbage, Turing, Post, Church, discoveries of the
universal numbers, we get an interesting "simple" Number Theology,
which can be used as an etalon in comparative theology.
In the first match Plato 1 and Aristotle 0.
It is not the last match in the comp soccer cup!
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