On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com<mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com>> wrote:Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric?I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that numbers onlyhave properties when observed/checked/computed by some entity somewhere.If there can exist a physical process that is a bisimulation of the computation of the test for primeness, then the primeness is true. Otherwise, we are merely guessing, at best.When we check the primaility of some number N, we may not know whether or not it isprime. However, eventually we run the computation and find out either it was, or it wasn't.My question to you is when was it determined that N was or was not prime? Any time were-check the calculation we get the same result. Presumably even causally isolatedobservers will also get the same result. If humans get wiped out and cuttlefish takeover the world and build computers, and they check to see if N, is prime is it possiblefor them to get a different result?My contention is that it is not possible to get a different result, that N was alwaysprime, or it was always not prime, and it would be prime (or not prime) even if welacked the means or inclination to check it.

`That's fine. But it's a leap to go from the truth value of 17 is prime, to 17 exists.`

`That's what I mean by mathematicians assuming that "satisfying a predicate" = "exists".`

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