I agree with Jason!
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King <
>> stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric?
>> I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in
>> that numbers only have properties when observed/checked/computed by some
>> entity somewhere.
>>> If there can exist a physical process that is a bisimulation of the
>>> computation of the test for primeness, then the primeness is true.
>>> Otherwise, we are merely guessing, at best.
>> When we check the primaility of some number N, we may not know whether
>> or not it is prime. However, eventually we run the computation and find
>> out either it was, or it wasn't.
>> My question to you is when was it determined that N was or was not
>> prime? Any time we re-check the calculation we get the same result.
>> Presumably even causally isolated observers will also get the same result.
>> If humans get wiped out and cuttlefish take over the world and build
>> computers, and they check to see if N, is prime is it possible for them to
>> get a different result?
>> My contention is that it is not possible to get a different result,
>> that N was always prime, or it was always not prime, and it would be prime
>> (or not prime) even if we lacked the means or inclination to check it.
>> That's fine. But it's a leap to go from the truth value of 17 is prime,
>> to 17 exists. That's what I mean by mathematicians assuming that
>> "satisfying a predicate" = "exists".
> All you need are truth values. If it is true that the recursive function
> containing an emulation of the wave function of the Hubble volume contains
> a self-aware process known as Brent which believes he has read an e-mail
> from Jason, then it is true that the aforementioned Brent believes he has
> read an e-mail from Jason. We don't need to add some additional "exists"
> property on top of it, it adds nothing.
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