On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 12/30/2013 12:04 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>  On 12/30/2013 11:17 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>  On 12/30/2013 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>>  But that's essentially everything, since everything is (presumably)
>>> quantum.  But notice the limitation of quantum computers, if it has N
>>> qubits it takes 2^N complex numbers to specify its state, BUT you can only
>>> retrieve N bits of information from it (c.f. Holevo's theorem).  So it
>>> doesn't really act like 2^N parallel computers.
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>>>  OK, but nobody pretended the contrary.  You can still extract N bits
>>> depending on the 2^N results, by doing some Fourier transfrom on all
>>> results obtained in "parallel universes". This means that the 2^N
>>> computations have to occur in *some* sense.
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>>>  But they pretend that the number 2^N is so large that it cannot exist
>>> in whole universe, much less in that little quantum computer and therefore
>>> there must be other worlds which contain these enormous number of bits.
>>> What Holevo's theorem shows is the one can regard all those interference
>>> terms as mere calculation fictions in going from N bit inputs to N bit
>>> outputs.
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>>  Can such "calculation fictions" support conciousness?  That's the real
>> question.  If they can, then you can't avoid many-worlds (or at least many
>> minds).
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>>  Why is that "the real question"?  Saying yes to the doctor implies that
>> a classical computer can support consciousness.
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>  Because with computationalism, if a quantum computer runs the
> computations that support a mind, there would be many resulting conscious
> states, and first person views.
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> Of course that is assuming the very proposition you're arguing.
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No, I am trying to show that given computationalism, there is nothing
"fictional" about these computations. They would have very bit the same
power to yield consciousness as the computations of a classical computer.
 Do you disagree with this?


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>   That we can only access N-bits of a mind from any one world is
> irrelevant, as all the conscious states exist in the intermediate states,
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> That's your story and you're sticking to it.
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Do you disagree?

Jason


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> Brent
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