On 12/30/2013 1:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 3:57 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/30/2013 12:04 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/30/2013 11:17 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/30/2013 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But that's essentially everything, since everything is (presumably)
quantum. But notice the limitation of quantum computers, if it has
qubits it takes 2^N complex numbers to specify its state, BUT you
only retrieve N bits of information from it (c.f. Holevo's
it doesn't really act like 2^N parallel computers.
OK, but nobody pretended the contrary. You can still extract N bits
depending on the 2^N results, by doing some Fourier transfrom on all
results obtained in "parallel universes". This means that the 2^N
computations have to occur in *some* sense.
But they pretend that the number 2^N is so large that it cannot
whole universe, much less in that little quantum computer and
there must be other worlds which contain these enormous number of bits.
What Holevo's theorem shows is the one can regard all those interference
terms as mere calculation fictions in going from N bit inputs to N
Can such "calculation fictions" support conciousness? That's the real
question. If they can, then you can't avoid many-worlds (or at least
Why is that "the real question"? Saying yes to the doctor implies that
classical computer can support consciousness.
Because with computationalism, if a quantum computer runs the computations
support a mind, there would be many resulting conscious states, and first
Of course that is assuming the very proposition you're arguing.
No, I am trying to show that given computationalism, there is nothing "fictional" about
these computations. They would have very bit the same power to yield consciousness as
the computations of a classical computer. Do you disagree with this?
I'm not sure what you mean by "power"; whether it means effectively or potentially? I
don't think consciousness (at least like ours) can occur except in the context of a
quasi-classical world. So it depends on whether the computations are sufficient to
instantiate such a world.
That we can only access N-bits of a mind from any one world is irrelevant,
the conscious states exist in the intermediate states,
That's your story and you're sticking to it.
Do you disagree?
It is certainly relevant that we can only access N-bits of an N-qubit computer. But what
it shows is not certain.
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