On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:00 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> >> That means you think things are realistic, and that means  I know for
>>>> a fact your thinking is wrong, not crazy but wrong. We know from experiment
>>>> that Bell's inequality is violated, and that means that locality or realism
>>>> or both MUST be wrong.
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>>> > Or measurements are multi-valued.  MWI has both locality and realism.
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>> If the many World's Theory was local AND realistic we'd know with
>> certainty that it's wrong because any theory that is consistent with
>> experimental results can NOT be both.
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> There are at least two possible answers to the bell inequalities:
> 1. Nonlocal influences
> 2. Mutliple outcomes for each measurement
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It appears that string theory (quantum gravity) is chosing 1. The claim of
Maldacens and Susskind is that EPR
happens because of tunneling or Einstein Rosen ER bridges resulting in the
(bumper sticker or T shirt) ER=EPR.
Ref: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.0533v2.pdf

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> If you choose 2, then you don't need 1. You can have multiple outcomes for
> a measurement and realism. You just can't have only one definite real
> value, without FTL influences.
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>>  But MWI could be true because although it is realistic it is not local.
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> It is local, all QM effects under MW propagate at c or slower.  See the
> "many worlds FAQ" or the wikipedia table comparing various interpretations.
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>> A entire parallel universe as big as our own that you can never go to or
>> even see is about as far from being local as you can get.
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> Locality has a specific definition in physics, that things are only
> affected by other things (fields or particles) in direct proximity to each
> other. It says nothing about the existence of places we can or can't go to.
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> Jason
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>>   John K Clark
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