On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are at least two possible answers to the bell inequalities: > 1. Nonlocal influences > There are not "at least two" there are exactly two, but yes, things might not be local. >2. Mutliple outcomes for each measurement > Yes, things might not be realistic. We know that at best one of those 2 commonplace assumptions is wrong, at worse both are. > If you choose 2, then you don't need 1. > Yes, but locality OR realism OR both must be wrong. >> But MWI could be true because although it is realistic it is not local. >> > > > It is local, > I sorta like the MWI but apparently you are not a fan because if what you say is true then the MWI is dead wrong. We already know MWI is realistic and ANY theory that is both realistic AND local can NOT be consistent with experiment. And if experiment says that's not the way things are then that's just not the way things are. > You can have multiple outcomes for a measurement and realism. > No you can not because that's not what physicists mean when they use the word "realistic", they mean that a wave or a particle possesses one specific attribute even if it has not been measured. For example, if a photon already has one specific polarization even before its quantum entangled twin has been measured then it is realistic. > Locality has a specific definition in physics, > Yes. > that things are only affected by other things (fields or particles) in > direct proximity to each other. > Once a universe has split off it can have no effect on us whatsoever nor us to it. And someplace that the laws of physics forbid us from going to or seeing is not in our "direct proximity". > It says nothing about the existence of places we can or can't go to. > It most certainly does! If a event is not even in our past or future spacetime lightcone then it is not local, and no event in another universe is within our lightcone. John K Clark It says nothing about the existence of places we can or can't go to. Jason John K Clark -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
