On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:11 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 1/8/2014 5:20 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> Dear Brent,
>    I agree with you 100%! But that seems to imply that there is something
> "real" about the physical. I think that we can obtain a form of realism
> that does not involve a "god's eye view" by appealing to the possibility of
> coherent communication between multiple observers. Observers being defined
> as intersections of an infinite number of computations, ala Bruno's
> definition. We do not need an ontologically primitive physical world, we
> only need a "level of substitution" so that the "Yes, Doctor" choice is
> possible.
> Notice that you had to put "real" in scare quotes - because it isn't clear
> what it means.  I think the conclusion is that, in Bruno's MGA, the inert
> program needs to include a great deal, essentially a whole universe.  That
> doesn't make it wrong, but to me it makes it less interesting.  It would be
> surprising than an inert program could implement consciousness in this
> world, since it couldn't interact with this world.  But if it's conscious
> within it's own world, then it's just like any other simulation (e.g. The
> Matrix).

Or how it already is (in a world created entirely within the confines of a
hollow bone).


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