On 13 Jan 2014, at 19:05, Edgar L. Owen wrote:

Jason,We cannot keep adding 1 forever to get an infinity. The universewhere addition is possible is only 13.7 billion years old.

`So you assume the usual physical universe? Your "comp space" (which I`

`have still no clue at all of it consists) is born 13,7 billion years`

`ago?`

Not quite old enough to get to infinity! This applies all the typesof infinity you mention.

`Comp does not need actual infinities, but it still needs the potential`

`infinity of all finite things (integers, or something).`

`But finitist physicalism is indeed a way out of comp. But then your`

`theory is non-computationalist. Do you say "no" to the doctor. You`

`have already answer "no", and later "yes", so I am not sure. Which is`

`it?`

The universe (extended quantum vacuum)

So you assume quantum mechanics?

has always existed but there was no clock time so there is nomeasure of the duration of its existence so it has not existedforever nor is it infinitely old. These are human concepts which donot apply. Time was not 'flowing' prior to the big bang.

So you assume the big bang theory?

I was trying to keep things simple but it is certainly possible tohave big bounces. I posted a possible theory on that and entropy andgravitational reversal a couple of days ago in detail. Did you seethat? I certainly don't rule out a bouncing universe.The computational universe is created by an actualization event inthe generalized quantum vacuum. Perhaps a bounce, perhaps somethingelse.

Why would we need that?

`To define computation, you need at least the little arithmetical`

`"platonia", but then you have already a computational space (as`

`arithmetic *is* a computational space, and is bigger than it).`

A good analogy is a perfectly still ocean of water. It is originallyformless but forms can arise within it. The nature of the water iswhat determines what forms can arise within that ocean. Likewise OE(the generalized quantum vacuum) was originally formless but itsintrinsic nature determines what information forms can actualize andarise and exist within it.

`The quantum vacuum does that. No need to generalize it. Now, you`

`theory looks like just QM.`

In the original formless ocean nothing happens so there can be noobservations therefore it is impossible to even confirm itsexistence. However once things start happening it becomes observableand one can measure it and confirm its existence.Things must be observable to properly be considered real and actual...

So your original formless ocean is not real? Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.