If your question is whether or not it is possible to determine whether we 
are living in a matrix type simulation I believe it is because we would not 
just be living in the simulation but in the entire reality in which the 
simulation is being produced. Thus given human level intelligence, and 
human level capability to explore reality, the simulated being should be 
able to discover cues that give the simulation away.

Since we can determine the curvature of the space we live in without seeing 
it from the outside (angles of triangles) we should be able to determine 
the nature of any simulation we lived in as well.

Because there is NO evidence whatsoever that we do live in a simulation, 
AND the fact that it's an enormously non-parsimonious theory that adds an 
entire new level of reality inhabited by super beings with completely 
unlikely technologies on top of a universe which is already plenty complex, 
it is incredibly unlikely that we do live in a simulation, and absent any 
evidence at all for it I at least think it's a waste of time to give much 
thought to it no matter how 'cool' it might seem to sci fi fans.


On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:27:45 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
> On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen < <javascript:>>wrote:
>> Liz,
>> See my response to Brent on consciousness of an hour ago. It answers this 
>> question...
>> Actually to answer your question properly you have to define 'person', 
>> what you mean by an 'AI' and what you mean by a 'simulation'. In the 
>> details of those definitions will be your answer... It's arbitrary and ill 
>> formed as asked....
> Yeah, unlike waffle about "it's really real because it's real in the real 
> actual world, really, because I say so" (insert eye-rolling emoticon here)
> OK, let's say we simulate you in a virtual world. Or, to get a particular 
> scenario, let's assume some aliens with advanced technology turned up last 
> night and scanned your body, and created a computer model of it. We won't 
> worry about subtleties like substitution levels and whether "you" are 
> actually duplicated in the process. It's enough for the present discussion 
> that the simulated Edgar feels it's you, believes it's you, thinks its you, 
> and appears to have a body like yours which it can move around, just as you 
> do, in a world just like the one you're living in (they have also modelled 
> the Earth and its surroundings. Using nanotechnology they can do all this 
> inside a relatively small space). The simulated Edgar will think just like 
> you, assuming your thoughts are, in fact, the product of computation in 
> your brain, and it has your memories, because the aliens were able to model 
> the part of your brain that stores them.
> So, sim-Edgar wakes up the next morning and believes himself to be 
> earth-Edgar.
> Would he know, or discover at some point, that he's a simulation in a 
> virtual world, and if so, how?

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