On 15 Jan 2014, at 02:37, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz,
If your question is whether or not it is possible to determine
whether we are living in a matrix type simulation I believe it is
because we would not just be living in the simulation but in the
entire reality in which the simulation is being produced. Thus given
human level intelligence, and human level capability to explore
reality, the simulated being should be able to discover cues that
give the simulation away.
Since we can determine the curvature of the space we live in without
seeing it from the outside (angles of triangles) we should be able
to determine the nature of any simulation we lived in as well.
Because there is NO evidence whatsoever that we do live in a
simulation,
False, there are plenty evidences that we live in the canonical
simulation (which does not depend on the ontology). All verified
quantum propositional propositions provides such evidence. It explains
the quantum aspect of the physical reality. You are *assuming* it.
AND the fact that it's an enormously non-parsimonious theory that
adds an entire new level of reality inhabited by super beings with
completely unlikely technologies on top of a universe which is
already plenty complex, it is incredibly unlikely that we do live in
a simulation, and absent any evidence at all for it I at least think
it's a waste of time to give much thought to it no matter how 'cool'
it might seem to sci fi fans.
If we assume comp, we don't even need evidences, except for *testing*
comp. And up to now, all evidence are that we are in a simulation,
even in *the* emulation (not done by our descendants, but by the
bottom ontology of the comp theory (which is given by any universal
number, like Robinson arithmetic for example).
Then by the dream argument (or UDA step 6), there are no evidences,
nor can there be possibly anyone, that we are not in a simulation, also.
Bruno
Edgar
On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:27:45 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 15 January 2014 06:53, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
Liz,
See my response to Brent on consciousness of an hour ago. It answers
this question...
Actually to answer your question properly you have to define
'person', what you mean by an 'AI' and what you mean by a
'simulation'. In the details of those definitions will be your
answer... It's arbitrary and ill formed as asked....
Yeah, unlike waffle about "it's really real because it's real in the
real actual world, really, because I say so" (insert eye-rolling
emoticon here)
OK, let's say we simulate you in a virtual world. Or, to get a
particular scenario, let's assume some aliens with advanced
technology turned up last night and scanned your body, and created a
computer model of it. We won't worry about subtleties like
substitution levels and whether "you" are actually duplicated in the
process. It's enough for the present discussion that the simulated
Edgar feels it's you, believes it's you, thinks its you, and appears
to have a body like yours which it can move around, just as you do,
in a world just like the one you're living in (they have also
modelled the Earth and its surroundings. Using nanotechnology they
can do all this inside a relatively small space). The simulated
Edgar will think just like you, assuming your thoughts are, in fact,
the product of computation in your brain, and it has your memories,
because the aliens were able to model the part of your brain that
stores them.
So, sim-Edgar wakes up the next morning and believes himself to be
earth-Edgar.
Would he know, or discover at some point, that he's a simulation in
a virtual world, and if so, how?
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