Bruno, I HAVE explained my computational space and how it relates to p-time. Here it is again copied from my post of Jan. 25 since you missed it.
Bruno, Once again a summary of my computational universe: The fundamental level of reality consists of pure abstract computationally evolving information in the LOGICAL (not physical, not dimensional) space or presence of reality. What exists here is NOT static arithmetic truth. What exists here is the ACTUAL computations (and nothing else) necessary and sufficient to compute the current state of the universe as science observes it and confirms it. This occurs as myriads of computations in interaction with each other. This is a dynamic active process which occurs in a common present moment. This present moment is NOT the same as clock time. Clock time and all the other measurable observable information states of the universe are the RESULTS of these fundamental computations which occur in the present moment of p-time. If clock time is the RESULTS of computations those computations MUST occur in some other type of time. That is the present moment. This process is entirely independent of human observation. It is not a matter of perspective, though obviously every extant observe will have its own perspective on and internal mental model of this process. And observers will interpret this perspective as the familiar physical dimensional world. All observers are sub-programs in this single computational reality which themselves continually computationally interact with the computations of their environments. The entire universe consists ONLY of these active computations, consists ONLY of information computationally evolving. The apparently physical classical world is how observers INTERPRET or model or simulate this information reality internally in their minds. They have evolved to do this to make it easier to compute their functioning and survival.... Thus the actual reality is not physical, dimensional or material, it consists only of actively computationally evolving pure abstract information in a logical space ONLY. As for the present moment of p-time, that is the present moment of time that provides the computational processor cycles to take place within. Clock time and everything else that constitutes the actual state of the actual observable scientific world is computed in p-time by these computations. Hope that makes it clearer.... Edgar On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 16:13, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > > David, > > > > Bruno's 'comp' has 2 intractable fundamental problems that I see. > > > > 1. There is absolutely no way for a static arithmetical Plantonia to > > generate any happening whatsoever. Bruno's theory that all happening > > is a 1p perspective of human observers implies nothing happened in > > the entire history of the universe until some human observer became > > conscious. Total nonsense. > > See Liz's answer. > > > > > > 2. Perhaps even worse there is absolutely no way for pure arithmetic > > to generate the ACTUAL computational state of the observable universe. > > Actual is an indexical. > > > > How does the actual particular Fine Tuning of our universe arise > > from pure arithmetic? > > I am not convinced by "fine Tuning", it justifies a posteriori only > geographical aspect of reality. > But then, even if "fine turning" could make sense, that would not > prevent arithmetic to explain it in the UDA way. It might only make > either the substitution level of comp low or the our computational > histories very intrinsically long or deep (in Bennett's sense). > > > > > Especially if it just sits there in some pure static Platonic state? > > It just doesn't! It can't.... > > It does not sit there. Even if we could see the entire arithmetic > truth from outside, we would not see "our physical universe". We would > see *many* approximations of it (very plausibly), but the "real" > universe is an inside view due to a relative (indexical) statistics > bearing on subjective, first person, experiences. That view has > temporal, spatial, felt, observable unavoidable modalities. > > Note that arithmetic contains also many Löbian entities which are not > machines. The arithmetical is quite bigger than the computable. > Usually the analytical, and the physical, are not computable (as not > arithmetical), but assuming comp they are not needed in the ontology, > despite they play key roles in the internal epistemology of the numbers. > > > > > In my view the whole UD can be as logically consistent > > Ex(UD(x)) is a theorem of (very elementary) arithmetic. (With Church > thesis). > > I don't know if that is really consistent, but I know it is provable > from what I am the most ready to bet the consistency, like 0=0, or the > fact that 17 is prime. > > > > > as it wants to be but still has no connection with the actual > > observable reality of our universe... > > It has relation with QM without collapse, detailed, or enunciated, > here and in the references I gave you. > Some are informal, like indeterminacy, non locality, non cloning, and > some are formal like the complete set of the quantum tautologies. > > I can argue that this is the only approach which saves the quanta and > the qualia without assuming them in the ontology, but the main point > is that it is a consequence of the belief that your brain can be > emulated by a (physical of not) Universal (in the sense of Post-Church- > Turing) machine (system, language, number, etc.). > > You have not answered what is your "computational space", nor explain > the link between it and your p-time. > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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