On 31 Jan 2014, at 19:27, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
I HAVE explained my computational space and how it relates to p-
time. Here it is again copied from my post of Jan. 25 since you
missed it.
I did not miss it, but apparently you missed my comment on it.
Bruno,
Once again a summary of my computational universe:
The fundamental level of reality consists of pure abstract
computationally evolving information in the LOGICAL (not physical,
not dimensional) space or presence of reality.
I cannot accept a definition which invoke "reality". "reality" is what
we search on.
What do you mean by "evolving", if the fundamental level is abstract
computations?
What do you mean by "logical"? Which logic?
Soory but what you say does not make sense in term of the standard
definitions.
What exists here is NOT static arithmetic truth. What exists here is
the ACTUAL computations (and nothing else)
Define "actual computation".
necessary and sufficient to compute the current state of the
universe as science observes it and confirms it.
You assume a universe?
This occurs as myriads of computations in interaction with each other.
What is interaction. You seem to assume everything (physics,
psychology, etc.).
This is a dynamic active process which occurs in a common present
moment.
What is is it?
This present moment is NOT the same as clock time. Clock time and
all the other measurable observable information states of the
universe are the RESULTS of these fundamental computations which
occur in the present moment of p-time.
How could a computation occur in a "present moment". A physical
computation needs more than one moment, like a computation in
arithmetic needs more than one step or one natural number.
Ah, perhaps the present moment changes all the time?
I don't see a theory, only a personal view on physics.
If clock time is the RESULTS of computations those computations MUST
occur in some other type of time. That is the present moment.
That does not make much sense to me. You assume far too much
primitives, without clearly defining them. What we assume should be
amenable to agreement, even if temporary, just to see what your theory
is.
This process is entirely independent of human observation. It is not
a matter of perspective, though obviously every extant observe will
have its own perspective on and internal mental model of this
process. And observers will interpret this perspective as the
familiar physical dimensional world.
All observers are sub-programs in this single computational reality
which themselves continually computationally interact with the
computations of their environments.
You assume a form of digital physics. But what about my argument
(given two or three times) that this is self-contradictory?
What do you mean by computations? It seems you assume "physical
computations", but nobody can defined this without assuming the
standard mathematical definition.
The entire universe consists ONLY of these active computations,
consists ONLY of information computationally evolving.
But the computational reality, to be complete, involves non computable
aspect. The universe cannot be 100% computational and Turing complete.
Are you assuming a finite physical reality?
The apparently physical classical world is how observers INTERPRET
or model or simulate this information reality internally in their
minds. They have evolved to do this to make it easier to compute
their functioning and survival....
Thus the actual reality is not physical, dimensional or material, it
consists only of actively computationally evolving pure abstract
information in a logical space ONLY.
No logic is rich enough to define computation. you need arithmetic (or
equivalent).
What does mean "evolving" in a logical space only?
As for the present moment of p-time, that is the present moment of
time that provides the computational processor cycles to take place
within.
Then you must give a non physical account of the time, but your refer
all the time to physical attribute.
Time can be physical, psychological, computer science theoretica,
arithmetical, but not purely logic. Or you assume some special
temporal logic?
Clock time and everything else that constitutes the actual state of
the actual observable scientific world is computed in p-time by
these computations.
Hope that makes it clearer....
I have still no clue what you mean by "computation".
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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