On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > >> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it > is? If its > >> exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop being about > motivation and > >> becomes that we can't think straight? ass > >> > >> Why do we need to sleep? Why do we need to REM sleep in what looks to > be precise > >> amounts, which we're not capable of losing ground on (strong evidence > when people are > >> prevented REM sleep in the lab over days, they begin to pass out more > and more easily, > >> and don't return to normal until all the REM is made up for) > >> i > >> Why is it, mental fatigue has certain properties that ties fatigue to > specific mental > >> activities but not other, equally challenging ones? Why is this > strongly correlated > >> with how much time a specifc kind of activity has already been focused > on since last > >> sleep? Such that 'a change is as good as a rest'. > >> ion > >> If computation is intrinsically conscious why aren't we conscious in > the vast majority > >> of our brains, where the vast majority of the heavy lifting goes on? > Why aren't we > >> conscious in our other organs where sigtinificant computation takes > place, and is > >> connected with our brains. When I write a piece of code and run it, why > aren't I > >> experiencing the consciousness of the code? What decides what object > and experiences > >> what consciousness, and why is that stable? If I lie down beside my > twin, why don't I > >> sometimes wake up him? > >> > >> If computation is intrinsically conscious, where is consciousness > experienced? How is > >> facilitated? If a computer is intrinsically conscious, which hardware > parts are > >> consciousness, and/or which hardwaerre parts are required by the > conscious experience > >> of software, such that the experience is able to think the next > thought? The processor? > >> RAM? > >> > >> Given all this hardware is tightly controlled by processes running, and > given these > >> processes, and their footprint through the hardware can be precisely > known, why is the > >> old Turing needed, or should it be updated to include predictions for > what an emergent > >> consciousness would look like, its footprint, CPU use? If computation > is intrinsically > >> consciousness why can we account for the footprint of our code, purely > in terms of, and > >> exactly > >> of that code? > > Computation isn't necessarily consciousness, as you note. Consciousness, > as I experience > it, has to do with language and images. It is a story I make up, based on > perceptions and > memories, about what happens in my life.
You have to be conscious already to have perceptions, memories, and make up stories. Why would unconscious processes become conscious just to tell a story to itself that it already knows? Craig > I think the evolutionary reason for this is that > in order learn from experience one must remember things; but there is too > much to remember > in any detail. So the brain creates this story which is a condensation of > the events in > order to store the information in a retrievable way. At least that's the > way I would > design a robot if I wanted to exhibit human-like behavior and I think that > would entail > that it would be conscious. > > > >> , > >> Why haven't these footprint iss9ues been heavily researched over the > past 50 > >> years...why isn't there a hard theory? With nothing at all having been > done in this > >> area, for all we know when the computer runs slow and starts to ceize > that isn't > >> sometimes a darling little consciousness flashing into existence and > struggling to > >> survive, only to be broken on the wheel of the Norton performance > tuner? Why is even a > >> chance of that acceptable...why hasn't any work been done on the > footprint issue? > > ?? You're worked up because flashes of consciousness might be occuring in > computers? Why > would you care? Do you care about bacteria, insects, plants? First, you > need a theory of > consciousness - then you can decide whether it has ethical implications. > > Brent > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
