On 02 Mar 2014, at 22:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, [email protected] wrote:
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>> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that
it is? If its
>> exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop being
about motivation and
>> becomes that we can't think straight? ass
>>
>> Why do we need to sleep? Why do we need to REM sleep in what
looks to be precise
>> amounts, which we're not capable of losing ground on (strong
evidence when people are
>> prevented REM sleep in the lab over days, they begin to pass out
more and more easily,
>> and don't return to normal until all the REM is made up for)
>> i
>> Why is it, mental fatigue has certain properties that ties
fatigue to specific mental
>> activities but not other, equally challenging ones? Why is this
strongly correlated
>> with how much time a specifc kind of activity has already been
focused on since last
>> sleep? Such that 'a change is as good as a rest'.
>> ion
>> If computation is intrinsically conscious why aren't we
conscious in the vast majority
>> of our brains, where the vast majority of the heavy lifting goes
on? Why aren't we
>> conscious in our other organs where sigtinificant computation
takes place, and is
>> connected with our brains. When I write a piece of code and run
it, why aren't I
>> experiencing the consciousness of the code? What decides what
object and experiences
>> what consciousness, and why is that stable? If I lie down beside
my twin, why don't I
>> sometimes wake up him?
>>
>> If computation is intrinsically conscious, where is consciousness
experienced? How is
>> facilitated? If a computer is intrinsically conscious, which
hardware parts are
>> consciousness, and/or which hardwaerre parts are required by the
conscious experience
>> of software, such that the experience is able to think the next
thought? The processor?
>> RAM?
>>
>> Given all this hardware is tightly controlled by processes
running, and given these
>> processes, and their footprint through the hardware can be
precisely known, why is the
>> old Turing needed, or should it be updated to include predictions
for what an emergent
>> consciousness would look like, its footprint, CPU use? If
computation is intrinsically
>> consciousness why can we account for the footprint of our code,
purely in terms of, and
>> exactly
>> of that code?
Computation isn't necessarily consciousness, as you note.
Consciousness, as I experience
it, has to do with language and images. It is a story I make up,
based on perceptions and
memories, about what happens in my life.
You have to be conscious already to have perceptions, memories, and
make up stories. Why would unconscious processes become conscious
just to tell a story to itself that it already knows?
To cooperate with others, perhaps?
Why would you tell us about sense if you already know everything about
it?
Bruno
Craig
I think the evolutionary reason for this is that
in order learn from experience one must remember things; but there
is too much to remember
in any detail. So the brain creates this story which is a
condensation of the events in
order to store the information in a retrievable way. At least
that's the way I would
design a robot if I wanted to exhibit human-like behavior and I
think that would entail
that it would be conscious.
>> ,
>> Why haven't these footprint iss9ues been heavily researched over
the past 50
>> years...why isn't there a hard theory? With nothing at all having
been done in this
>> area, for all we know when the computer runs slow and starts to
ceize that isn't
>> sometimes a darling little consciousness flashing into existence
and struggling to
>> survive, only to be broken on the wheel of the Norton performance
tuner? Why is even a
>> chance of that acceptable...why hasn't any work been done on the
footprint issue?
?? You're worked up because flashes of consciousness might be
occuring in computers? Why
would you care? Do you care about bacteria, insects, plants?
First, you need a theory of
consciousness - then you can decide whether it has ethical
implications.
Brent
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