You have a point, Edgar, and you yourself do not have a bad effect on the environment. However, a billion and one half fellow firewood gatherers, might have a more profound impact, and they may do a bit more than chopping then you do. Following Maslow's hierarchy of needs, when peoples standard of living improves, they start demanding a cleaner environment, and worry more about wildlife. You are doing the good because you choose to. Others are forced to gather firewood and chop trees. I hope nobody advocates permanent poverty as a method to protect the environment.
Mitch Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs or very occasionally where it's shading out a better quality tree. And then I spread all the ashes from my wood stove back onto the land. This is sustainable living at its best and improves the forest, not degrading it as you suggest, especially when compared to most alternatives.... Edgar -----Original Message----- From: Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:24 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs or very occasionally where it's shading out a better quality tree. And then I spread all the ashes from my wood stove back onto the land. This is sustainable living at its best and improves the forest, not degrading it as you suggest, especially when compared to most alternatives.... Edgar On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:16:32 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: Tackling thing technically will save lots or preaching, in emails, and public speaking. For example, if you cook all your food by wood-gathering, you are more likely to disrupt the forests by your gatherings. If you have access to cheap solar, wind, and maybe natural gas lines, then the urge for gathering wood and chopping trees three times a day diminishes. On the other hand if you want Bobby Bureaucrat to run your life, even if his laws don't actively change whatever you wish to achieve (air quality?), then you're good with that. Looking over the last 20 years, government, rather then being a beneficial force, now appears, worldwide, to be a malign force. If you are wanting results that please you, then perhaps, despite their promises and guarantees, the politicians and the billionaires that own them, have failed mightily. Feel free to disagree with this observation. -----Original Message----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 10:32 am Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to replace it?!! Why that will take decades and the catastrophe is already upon us. The heating of the atmosphere and the degradation of the lands and seas, cannot wait (your guys tell us). Or what are they really saying, put into motion in real life? It comes down to a culture of complaint from the green-reds, rather than actual workable solutions. I want technical solutions, but then, I am in the minority, as you indicate, and your side (and it is your side) wants people controlled and dominated (impoverished) and I see myself as someone who'd rather help people, ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
