Sorry that should read "equal opportunitie*d*" - serves me right for
throwing in a neologism.


On 21 March 2014 14:23, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> Spudboy100,
>
> I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a
> looming environmental / resources problem, and that we should use
> technology to make a transition to more renewable energy sources and so on.
> And you agree that we should ideally reduce the population long term (the
> rate at which the population of a country rises appears to be inversely
> proportional to how well educated and equal-opportunities women are, by the
> way). So in other words you sound like an environmentalist ... apart from
> the way you keep fulminating against some idea you have that Greenies are
> secretly plotting to take over the world. It's all a bit confusing.
>
>
>
> On 21 March 2014 13:59, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  Edgar, understood. But this shouldn't be the top of our priority,
>> unless we are spreading homo sapiens to various parts of the solar system
>> where humanity, and biomes, can be sustained for a very long time. Getting
>> away from science fiction, there are things we can do until this golden
>> interplanetary age. I don't see that a Paul Ehrlich response is a good way
>> to go, or even achievable at this point. Hence, I'd prefer the technology
>> path, rather than adopting China's one child policy.
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>
>> To: everything-list <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm
>> Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating
>>
>>  Spud,
>>
>>  The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to
>> drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels
>> would be a good target ~half to 1 billion...
>>
>>  Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us...
>>
>>  Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:43:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>  You have a point, Edgar, and you yourself do not have a bad effect on
>>> the environment. However, a billion and one half fellow firewood gatherers,
>>> might have a more profound impact, and they may do a bit more than chopping
>>> then you do. Following Maslow's hierarchy of needs, when peoples standard
>>> of living improves, they start demanding a cleaner environment, and worry
>>> more about wildlife. You are doing the good because you choose to. Others
>>> are forced to gather firewood and chop trees. I hope nobody advocates
>>> permanent poverty as a method to protect the environment.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>>
>>> Spud,
>>>
>>>  Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used
>>> firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead
>>> trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes.
>>> Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs or
>>> very
>>>
>>> ...
>>
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