Spudboy100,

I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a
looming environmental / resources problem, and that we should use
technology to make a transition to more renewable energy sources and so on.
And you agree that we should ideally reduce the population long term (the
rate at which the population of a country rises appears to be inversely
proportional to how well educated and equal-opportunities women are, by the
way). So in other words you sound like an environmentalist ... apart from
the way you keep fulminating against some idea you have that Greenies are
secretly plotting to take over the world. It's all a bit confusing.



On 21 March 2014 13:59, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:

> Edgar, understood. But this shouldn't be the top of our priority, unless
> we are spreading homo sapiens to various parts of the solar system where
> humanity, and biomes, can be sustained for a very long time. Getting away
> from science fiction, there are things we can do until this golden
> interplanetary age. I don't see that a Paul Ehrlich response is a good way
> to go, or even achievable at this point. Hence, I'd prefer the technology
> path, rather than adopting China's one child policy.
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm
> Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating
>
>  Spud,
>
>  The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to
> drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels
> would be a good target ~half to 1 billion...
>
>  Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us...
>
>  Edgar
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:43:35 PM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> You have a point, Edgar, and you yourself do not have a bad effect on the
>> environment. However, a billion and one half fellow firewood gatherers,
>> might have a more profound impact, and they may do a bit more than chopping
>> then you do. Following Maslow's hierarchy of needs, when peoples standard
>> of living improves, they start demanding a cleaner environment, and worry
>> more about wildlife. You are doing the good because you choose to. Others
>> are forced to gather firewood and chop trees. I hope nobody advocates
>> permanent poverty as a method to protect the environment.
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>> Spud,
>>
>>  Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used
>> firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead
>> trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes.
>> Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs or
>> very
>>
>> ...
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