On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Read Corona's post carefully. >> > > I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I > don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete with religion. When > I was growing up, I was forced to go to catholic sunday school, and at the > same time I was obsessed with space exploration. The former just bore me to > tears, while the second gave me feelings of human transcendence. This video > still works better for me than all of the religious attempts at showing the > divine: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc > > It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost the > ability to do what that video shows, > > > > Not everyone, apparently. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzOzjRJpaU > :) > > > > when we should be doing even more amazing things, and eventually starting > colonising other worlds. We are also regressing in social ways, with the > return of police states in the west and so on. I don't think that's a > coincidence. I hope it's a bump in the road. > > > The road is made of bumps. Things are not simple, and science is not yet > born. On the fundamental, many people either believe in fairy tales, or > confuse a scientific domain with theology, or eliminate the person. > > > > > > On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I believe we > still just saw the beginning of the transformative power of the Internet > and the things it will enable. The ones in power sense this too, and they > are fighting it. At the moment we seem to be heading in the direction of > some cyberpunk dystopia. > > > It is the continuation of evolution and its exponential speeding up. 99.9% > of humanity will leaves this planet in the next millennia, and we can hope > Earth will remain some carbon museum. I mean in the "normal" future. > > > > > But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay promotion" is > part of a strategy to reduce the population, then that's just silly. > > > That is hardly convincing, given the number of evidences that politicians > can be silly. > Good point. > > > > If anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is only > increasing the carrying capacity of our environment. > > > It might be, plausibly. > > Bruno > > > > > Telmo. > > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Paul King < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Telmo, >>>> >>>> It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively defined. >>>> >>> >>> Hi Stephan, >>> >>> Could you tell me what measure you are referring to? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Telmo Menezes >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Liz, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the >>>>>>>>> planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The reason why the UN promotes Global Warming+ abortion+ feminism+ >>>>>> Gay promotion instead of international collaboration for space >>>>>> exploration >>>>>> and expansion has some reasons: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Come on man, you say interesting things but then you get stuck in >>>>> weird religious moralism. What does "gay promotion" even mean? People >>>>> can't >>>>> change their sexual orientation. It's not like you can make some ads or >>>>> have celebrity endorsements and the kids will be all "ohh cool, I'm going >>>>> to be gay!". I think what's happening here is that we are finally getting >>>>> rid of gay repression. There's not going to be a different percentage of >>>>> gay people one way or the other, just less people leading miserable lives >>>>> for no good reason. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> first: any menace related with resources and population is easier to >>>>>> sell I will not name Hitler, but they are instinctive concerns since we >>>>>> were stone age hunter gatherers. The hunter gatherers were after wild >>>>>> animals and wild plants. They did not produced animals and plants as we >>>>>> produce now. So their primitive mind of "limited resources" is in the >>>>>> modern man, despite our hability to reproduce and substitute resources >>>>>> with >>>>>> our knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> 30.000 years ago, my province was inhabited with 3000 people that >>>>>> depleted complely the resources and had to move to another place every >>>>>> year. Now we are 3.000.000 in the same area, mostly unhabited still. An >>>>>> yet >>>>>> we live better, there are probably more wild animals and more forest. >>>>>> >>>>>> But still there are stone-age minded people that ate human beings and >>>>>> "want to save the planet". >>>>>> >>>>>> second: space exploration can not qualify for a religion, at least, >>>>>> not as a totalitarian religion. The Cult to the earth and human >>>>>> sacrifices >>>>>> will ever qualify since it is the most primitive religion. Leaders want >>>>>> commited people and this inevitably demand sacrifices, due to the nature >>>>>> of >>>>>> beings with incomplete information. I explained it in this thread as well >>>>>> as others in this group. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alberto. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/-LyjqBLxxFY/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Kindest Regards, >>>> >>>> Stephen Paul King >>>> >>>> Senior Researcher >>>> >>>> Mobile: (864) 567-3099 >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> http://www.provensecure.us/ >>>> >>>> >>>> "This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use >>>> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain >>>> information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and >>>> exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as >>>> attorney work product. 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