On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 6/11/2014 1:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
>  I don't think there is any choice in that matter, if we stick to
> rationalism and bet on comp.
>
>  But there is a difference with physical reductionism, which eliminate
> persons. Comp prevents such eliminative reductionism, and invite to listen
> to the machine, especially on what the machine is cautiously mute.
> Incompleteness provides the 1p association to the 3p machines. It is just a
> fact that []p & p behaves like a knower,
>
>
> It's just a modal function.  I don't see that it "knows" anything.  ISTM
> you are leaping the 3p/1p gap here in a way you consider illegitimate for
> physical theories.
>

If beings for argument's sake made of some matter in physical theories can
know via exploring relations and patterns scientifically in 3p: why would
the appropriate universal machines/numbers in comp ontology not be able to
do the same? In both cases a leap of faith is required for some entity to
assign to another such capacity. PGC



>
> Brent
>
>
>  and is (at the G* plane) the machine from the correct machine's view.
>
>  Bruno
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