On 19 Jun 2014, at 02:00, LizR wrote:

PS I must say I find step 3 an odd place to attempt to refute comp. Presumably you've accepted the original assumptions and the first two steps. Most people either disagree with the original assumption(s), or go for the MGA (i.e. the "reversal" - the argument that we don't need a physical universe).

I might add perhaps that the reversal appears already at the step seven (and this shows also what Tegmark missed, at least in some of its "multiverse level protocol".

But to conclude the comp reversal at this point, does not follow logically, by the small primitive universe assumption.

Given that the math already gives the clues of a quantum reality, we can already believe that the small universe move is rather ad hoc, but what the step 8 (MGA) explains, is that the small universe move can protect physicalism + computationalism (without FPI on UD*), but only in still adding non Turing emulable quality to matter.

This is just to help you for the step 8. Sometimes people put too much in step 8, like if I was saying that comp makes primitive matter logically impossible, when it only makes primitive matter into a God- of-the-gap or a stop-doing-research type of move.




Step 3, iirc, is just the demonstration of first person indeterminacy, which is I would think no more contraversial here than it is in Everett.

Yes. Quentin explained this point more than once to John Clark, without success.

Bruno





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