On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 , Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > But trade need an environment where some force and some love are > necessary. Trade without enforcement of contracts does not work. > If you and I are in a business relationship and we both make money it would be foolish of me to cheat you on a deal, I might make a little more money today but having destroyed our partnership I will have lost the money I would have made tomorrow and in all future days. In addition if I gain a reputation of having cheated my partner nobody else is going to want to do business with me. John K Clark > Neither work without some sincere love for what one does and for the well > being of the client. trade without force need an utopic quantity of love. > trade without love need big quantity of force. > > It is a pity to see all these modern ideologies that are nothing but > simplifications and adaptations of Christian concepts. No political system > is better than other. The Christian call for a personal revolution, called > conversion, to change what is around and have a better society, not a > political change. Paul called for the obedience of the Cesar, and the > Cesar at that time was Nero. Only by the example or testimony of each one > that changes the people around, the system will mutate to a better one. > Even if formally does not change. And the contrary the better political > system will decay if the people do evil. No society will be free from > corruption since it is in human nature. > > In contrast the liberal sectarians of the ilustration and the french > revolution though that a political change would change fundamentally the > society for a better one without previously changing the people. That does > not work. > > After that, the socialist sectarians fo the comunist revolution though > that a violent social change would create a new Man. That didn't work too. > > What is next? the sectarian culturalist though.... > > > All of them are bad and cheap copies of the Christian conception of > salvation, escatology etc. > > But it is better to call things by his name. Democracy is an ideological > lie. There is no such thing as democracy. There is the law of majority. and > the result is not what the majority think, but what the elite -that they > admire and obey- think. At the end the formal system does not matter > > > 2015-01-10 19:40 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:08 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Functioning anarchy would require a level of individual ethics that >>> does not yet exist >>> >> >> No, it's socialism that won't work unless everybody is a saint, and >> that's why socialist are always observed to be in a constant state of >> righteous indignation; people aren't behaving as he wants then to behave >> and as they must behave for his system to function. In general I can only >> think of 3 ways to get anybody to do anything, force, love, or trade. I >> think most of us would agree that all else being equal force is the least >> desirable of the three. Love is very nice and it works for some things but >> any economic system that must rely on people loving each other is just not >> going to work. So unless somebody knows of a fourth way that I haven't >> thought of there is only one thing left. >> >> The farmer grows my food, the trucker moves my food and the grocer sells >> my food, I didn't make them do it and none of these people love me, >> yet the free market plunges them into a conspiracy to put food on my >> table. Capitalism can efficiently create wealth even if everybody is just >> looking out for themselves, I know of no other economic system that can do >> that. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
