2015-01-12 15:45 GMT+01:00 Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected] >:
> > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2015-01-12 11:49 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>>> So I assume you have no argument here. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> You don't have any argument here... the drug market is owned by mafias in >> our shared real world, that's a fact... try to bypass them, they'll get >> back at you... you can laugh all you want, that's how it is... >> > > Sure, that's why this woman fears her life: > > http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/a-factory-tour-with-a-colorado-cannabis-ceo/ > > The very nature of prohibition creates a blind spot for research exactly > on the point you want to make here: nobody knows the extent, nature, power > distributions, cash flow schemes of entire drug market etc. because it is > illegal. We have estimates from various pov. That is all. Or show the > conclusive study/studies to which your statement pertains. > That market is legal... we're talking about *silk road* being a *free* market... which it isn't by the very nature of what it was sold on it... which was prohibited and owner by mafias market... Are you implying you can *ḧere and now* sell cocaine and heroine without resorting with the various mafias ? That's what you're saying ? > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> How the hell do you suppose dealers had drugs in the first place ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not an expert by any means, but I can speculate. >>>>> Some drugs like cocaine or heroin require plants that can only be >>>>> grown in specific geographic regions, so it's likely that mafias control >>>>> those supply chains. But other drugs can be grown in people's houses, >>>>> synthesised by amateur chemists, legally bought with a prescription, >>>>> geo-arbitrated (drug laws vary a lot across the world) etc etc. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, yeah, silk road was provided with drug with chemist apprentice in >>>> their garage... you got better joke ? >>>> >>> >>> It's ok that you don't know certain things, my knowledge has gigantic >>> gaps too. What I don't understand is why you embarrass yourself without at >>> least googling a bit. >>> >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=amphetamine+lab+arrests >>> >>> >> Yeah and so these lab are not done under mafias controls ? you're joking >> surely... it's well known dealers make their own canabis and amphetamine in >> their garage and don't respond to anyone else except themselves, the >> ndrangheta does not exists, it's a chimera. >> >> >>> Also you use a bully strategy by picking little things I say and trying >>> to make them sound silly. >>> >> > Right. Maybe Quentin had too many discussion with... oh, never mind. > I'm not bullying anyone, I don't buy something that present silk road as a free market without any evidence of it, and just saying mafia is something inexistent. > > >> >>> On the other side of the street from my home there is a large store >>> purely dedicated to selling equipment to grow cannabis. In countries like >>> Mexico, pharmacies will sell you almost anything. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Either you've got infinite bad faith here, or you so naive that it >>>>>> can't be so... so I'm left with bad faith here. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I may be wrong, but I don't think it's fair to assume bad faith on my >>>>> part. I don't think I've made any unreasonable statement. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's unreasonable to say silk road was a free market.. it was a >>>> controlled mafia market that's all, and if that is an example of free >>>> market... then I don't want to be in ! >>>> >>> >>> You provide no evidence or arguments for this. You just keep repeating >>> it. >>> >> >> You provide absolutely nil evidence, that silk road was a free market not >> under the influence of the mafias at the base level of the products that >> were available on it.. please do. >> > > Law enforcement has indicated over and over in the press how they had to > develop new strategies for Silk Road phenomenon. This implies somewhere > that traditional police work has to change to combat as it is "not usual > methods" as title implies: > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-03/fbi-snags-silk-road-boss-with-own-methods.html > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You keep going on tangents when you don't like the outcome of the >>>>> debate. We started discussing Silk Road as an example of how a free market >>>>> works without force. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Silk road *wasn't* a free market. So, it seems you don't like the >>>> obvious fact, not me who don't like the outcome of a debate. >>>> >>> >>> Do you have any argument to support your assertion that silk road was >>> not a free market? Or should I just take your word for it? >>> >> >> I have the first argument that nearly 100% of the market of >> cocaine/heroine/amphetamine is controlled under various mafias... the >> ndrangheta is know to control 80% of the market trade of cocaine in >> europe... any dealers who was selling that type of drugs could not have >> done so without mafias oversight... >> > > You condemned Cannabis as horrible drug, > What ? I've never done that... I am a ext user of such drug... I'm in favor of legalizing it... what I'm not in favor of, is saying there is absolutely no danger, and that it is *good*... it's not, and certainly not the way it is most used in the western world (in an abusive manner). > plus so-called "hard" substances are widely being sold via prescription; > strong opiates like fentanyl for various conditions, operations, and > weapons... ritalin, and amphetamine for ADHD etc. > > >> if you had stole them their market like you said it was, they would have >> get back at you and take you the market by the only way it has ever been >> done, by forcing you... they are not day dreamer, you piss them off, they >> kill you, as simple as that... you can dream all you want, that's the bare >> world we live in. >> > > No, I don't read stories of Mafia killing patients or attacking hospitals > using opiates routinely, even though hospitals and illegal pharma are > competing with heroin sale. > So the market of cocaine and heroine is not owned by the mafias ? That's what you're saying ? So I see absolutely no reason to legalize it, as you imply it is already a sane market... > > Sensational, but rather simplistic. If this satisfies you, fine. I don't > consider most of your statements to be based on credible facts in this > area. Especially the "evil of cannabis" tone you struck. > I've never used such a tone, you either make a mistake or misunderstood what I say... But that's true I'll never say, cannabis is OK there is absolutely no danger and no problem... that's false... but if you want to believe, I've no problem... but I'll tell you that it's not because you can manage your consomation of cannabis that anybody can and that most user can... > hose arguments have been clearly debunked, even on this list. > As I've never made such statement... what I made (and they are backed) is that cannabis is linked with depression and can enhance it and various studies back it up. http://scholar.google.be/scholar?q=cannabis+and+depression&hl=fr&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=oumzVNfvHYnwUILpgZgF&ved=0CBwQgQMwAA But if you don't want to believe it... fine. What I say is that I'm relieve to be an ex canabis addict, and that over usage didn't help me at all and certainly if not the cause did enhance the problem... do what you want with that. Quentin > Open problem of accessibility of reliable statistics to base our > assertions on are hard to come by because of prohibition. Especially on the > accounting and liquidity fronts of global illegal/legal poison > distribution. This seems more than black and white, especially this type of > program: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal > > Such program and scandals exist since decades and are not really > statistically accessible or transparent. You could be more accurate with > references and why you think it makes prohibition + effects transparent, > which mostly only Telmo has been providing. 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