On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11 February 2015 at 20:57, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 11 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I call this the Cyberman (or Mr Spock) problem. The Cybermen in Doctor >>>>> Who are logical and unemotional, yet they wish to convert the rest of the >>>>> world to be like them. Why? Without emotion they have no reason to do >>>>> that, >>>>> or anything else. (Likewise Mr Spock, except as we know he only repressed >>>>> his emotions.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure whether emotions are necessary to have goals. Then >>>> again, perhaps they are. >>>> >>>> The 'big' emotions like fear, rage, lust probably aren't, but values, >>>> feelings that this is preferred to that, are. >>>> >>> >>> I don't see how one could have an opinion on whether one should do >>> anything without emotions being involved. >>> >>> So do you believe the Mars Rover is motivated to explore by its emotions? >> > > I don't believe it is motivated at all, in the sense that a conscious > being is. > > Then couldn't the cybermen be like the Mars Rover? or vice-versa, could a Mars Rover be programmed with the goal of the cybermen yet not have emotions?
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