On 2/11/2015 10:48 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 February 2015 at 04:46, Jason Resch <[email protected]
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]
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On 11 February 2015 at 20:57, Jason Resch <[email protected]
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM, LizR <[email protected]
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On 11 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb <[email protected]
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On 2/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]
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I call this the Cyberman (or Mr Spock) problem. The
Cybermen in
Doctor Who are logical and unemotional, yet they wish to
convert the rest of the world to be like them. Why?
Without
emotion they have no reason to do that, or anything
else.
(Likewise Mr Spock, except as we know he only repressed
his
emotions.)
I'm not sure whether emotions are necessary to have goals.
Then
again, perhaps they are.
The 'big' emotions like fear, rage, lust probably aren't,
but
values, feelings that this is preferred to that, are.
I don't see how one could have an opinion on whether one should
do
anything without emotions being involved.
So do you believe the Mars Rover is motivated to explore by its
emotions?
I don't believe it is motivated at all, in the sense that a conscious
being is.
Then couldn't the cybermen be like the Mars Rover? or vice-versa, could a
Mars Rover
be programmed with the goal of the cybermen yet not have emotions?
No I think the cybermen are intended to be conscious, and emotions are what evolved to
make conscious beings do stuff that was necessary to their survival.
Do you think that consciousness is necessary for emotion? Certainly snails and insects
react to things in their environment in order to enhance their survival. Is that
emotion? I think it is, but maybe it's just a question of semantics? Are they conscious
or merely aware?
Brent
The cybes act as though they are motivated by certain emotions (as does Mr Spock). They
wish to make everyone else like them - why? Because that is the logical thing to do,
perhaps. But why do they care enough to actually do it?
The Mars Rover does what it does because of the particular pattern of instructions
stored in its CPU, I assume.
Of course comp says there's no difference. I wonder what Bruno thinks about emotions?
Since you're effectively espousing comp here, assumig Bruno's right on that I may be
wrong on this.
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