On 2/11/2015 10:56 AM, LizR wrote:
Actually I'm wrong here. The Mars Rover *is* motivated by emotions, just not its own.
They're the emotions of its designers. It isn't independently conscious (as far as we
know) and hence can't have its own motivations in the normal sense (redefining motives
as whatever actuates an unconscious mechanism into action would however do it).
But in what sense do the engineers at JPL have their own emotions? Did they decide to like
food and companionship and have sex and want the high regard of friends? Or were they
programmed by evolution?
I think the Mars Rover compulsion to get soil samples is just as genuinely its emotion as
are the engineers love of their children.
Brent
On 12 February 2015 at 07:48, LizR <[email protected]
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On 12 February 2015 at 04:46, Jason Resch <[email protected]
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]
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On 11 February 2015 at 20:57, Jason Resch <[email protected]
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM, LizR <[email protected]
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On 11 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb <[email protected]
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On 2/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]
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I call this the Cyberman (or Mr Spock) problem. The
Cybermen in Doctor Who are logical and unemotional,
yet
they wish to convert the rest of the world to be
like them.
Why? Without emotion they have no reason to do
that, or
anything else. (Likewise Mr Spock, except as we
know he
only repressed his emotions.)
I'm not sure whether emotions are necessary to have
goals. Then
again, perhaps they are.
The 'big' emotions like fear, rage, lust probably
aren't, but
values, feelings that this is preferred to that, are.
I don't see how one could have an opinion on whether one
should do
anything without emotions being involved.
So do you believe the Mars Rover is motivated to explore by its
emotions?
I don't believe it is motivated at all, in the sense that a
conscious being is.
Then couldn't the cybermen be like the Mars Rover? or vice-versa, could
a Mars
Rover be programmed with the goal of the cybermen yet not have emotions?
No I think the cybermen are intended to be conscious, and emotions are what
evolved
to make conscious beings do stuff that was necessary to their survival. The
cybes
act as though they are motivated by certain emotions (as does Mr Spock).
They wish
to make everyone else like them - why? Because that is the logical thing to
do,
perhaps. But why do they care enough to actually do it?
The Mars Rover does what it does because of the particular pattern of
instructions
stored in its CPU, I assume.
Of course comp says there's no difference. I wonder what Bruno thinks about
emotions? Since you're effectively espousing comp here, assumig Bruno's
right on
that I may be wrong on this.
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