Actually I'm wrong here. The Mars Rover *is* motivated by emotions, just not its own. They're the emotions of its designers. It isn't independently conscious (as far as we know) and hence can't have its own motivations in the normal sense (redefining motives as whatever actuates an unconscious mechanism into action would however do it).
On 12 February 2015 at 07:48, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 12 February 2015 at 04:46, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 11 February 2015 at 20:57, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I call this the Cyberman (or Mr Spock) problem. The Cybermen in >>>>>>> Doctor Who are logical and unemotional, yet they wish to convert the >>>>>>> rest >>>>>>> of the world to be like them. Why? Without emotion they have no reason >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do that, or anything else. (Likewise Mr Spock, except as we know he only >>>>>>> repressed his emotions.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure whether emotions are necessary to have goals. Then >>>>>> again, perhaps they are. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 'big' emotions like fear, rage, lust probably aren't, but >>>>>> values, feelings that this is preferred to that, are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't see how one could have an opinion on whether one should do >>>>> anything without emotions being involved. >>>>> >>>>> So do you believe the Mars Rover is motivated to explore by its >>>> emotions? >>>> >>> >>> I don't believe it is motivated at all, in the sense that a conscious >>> being is. >>> >>> Then couldn't the cybermen be like the Mars Rover? or vice-versa, could >> a Mars Rover be programmed with the goal of the cybermen yet not have >> emotions? >> >> No I think the cybermen are intended to be conscious, and emotions are > what evolved to make conscious beings do stuff that was necessary to their > survival. The cybes act as though they are motivated by certain emotions > (as does Mr Spock). They wish to make everyone else like them - why? > Because that is the logical thing to do, perhaps. But why do they care > enough to actually do it? > > The Mars Rover does what it does because of the particular pattern of > instructions stored in its CPU, I assume. > > Of course comp says there's no difference. I wonder what Bruno thinks > about emotions? Since you're effectively espousing comp here, assumig > Bruno's right on that I may be wrong on this. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
