On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:59 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/11/2015 10:48 AM, LizR wrote: > > On 12 February 2015 at 04:46, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:15 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 11 February 2015 at 20:57, Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/10/2015 5:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:57 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I call this the Cyberman (or Mr Spock) problem. The Cybermen in >>>>>>> Doctor Who are logical and unemotional, yet they wish to convert the >>>>>>> rest >>>>>>> of the world to be like them. Why? Without emotion they have no reason >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do that, or anything else. (Likewise Mr Spock, except as we know he only >>>>>>> repressed his emotions.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure whether emotions are necessary to have goals. Then >>>>>> again, perhaps they are. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 'big' emotions like fear, rage, lust probably aren't, but >>>>>> values, feelings that this is preferred to that, are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't see how one could have an opinion on whether one should do >>>>> anything without emotions being involved. >>>>> >>>>> So do you believe the Mars Rover is motivated to explore by its >>>> emotions? >>>> >>> >>> I don't believe it is motivated at all, in the sense that a conscious >>> being is. >>> >>> Then couldn't the cybermen be like the Mars Rover? or vice-versa, >> could a Mars Rover be programmed with the goal of the cybermen yet not have >> emotions? >> >> No I think the cybermen are intended to be conscious, and emotions are > what evolved to make conscious beings do stuff that was necessary to their > survival. > > > Do you think that consciousness is necessary for emotion? Certainly > snails and insects react to things in their environment in order to enhance > their survival. Is that emotion? I think it is, but maybe it's just a > question of semantics? Are they conscious or merely aware? > > How is consciousness different from awareness? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
