On 4/2/2015 4:33 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 2 April 2015 at 08:30, meekerdb<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/1/2015 12:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
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>>I don't think it's impossible to prove comp true. If comp were not true
>>then it would be possible to make partial zombies.
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>I think that's the inference we're arguing. It's certainly not obvious to
>me.
It's not obvious that comp can be proved or it's not obvious that if
comp were false it would be possible to make partial zombies?
>>If partial zombies are possible then there would be no difference between
>>you having qualia or lacking qualia,
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>There would be no 3p observable difference in other people. Just showing
>that a partial zombie is possible doesn't show that you are one.
A partial zombie would not only show no 3p difference, it would also
show no 1p difference. There is no conceptual problem with that in a
zombie, but there is in a partial zombie, which by definition has
normal feelings and cognition except for its zombified aspect. A
person who is otherwise normal immediately knows if he loses a
significant aspect of his consciousness, such as his vision or his
ability to understand language. Sometimes if neurological damage is
severe enough it can damage cognitive ability and the subject develops
the delusional belief, anosognosia, that he is normal despite all
evidence to the contrary, but that does not invalidate the argument.
>>which is equivalent to saying consciousness does not exist;
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>I think it is equivalent to the idea that some (humans) have souls and some
>(animals) don't. I don't believe that, but it's logically possible.
I think you are not making the distinction between a zombie and a
partial zombie. A zombie is not obviously absurd, a partial zombie is.
Suppose the were a race of people who experienced the qualia of liver function. That
doesn't seem absurd to me. So neither does it seem absurd that I'm a partial zombie
relative them.
Brent
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