If the Chinese room is conscious (on the "systems argument" I think) that might just be another way of eliminating consciousness, something Dennett likes to do. I'm not sure if it is or not...
On 2 April 2015 at 16:34, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 02:48:47AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > I still don't see what MGA "pumps intuitively and incorrectly", as you > seem > > to assume that MGA is "bad" intuition pump, rather than "good" one that > > facilitates seeing something tricky. You've not shown that consciousness > > supervenes on broken gates, you don't treat movies like conscious > entities, > > and haven't pointed towards a recording that is obviously or demonstrably > > conscious. > > > > It is one thing to argue intuitively that playing Casablanca does not > instantiate Humphrey Bogart's consciousness. That I would happily agree > with. It only involves a few 100KB per second. It is another thing to > argue that a precise recording of the firings of every neuron in > someone's brain similarly doesn't instantiate consciousness (at around > 10^11 neurons per typical human brain, this would be something of the > order of 10^16 bytes per second). This is the sort of recording being > used in Maudlin's thought experiment/MGA. And obviously, according to > COMP, a huge lookup table encoding the machine's output for every > possible input for a machine implementing a conscious moment (which is > just another type of recording, albeit a very complex one that would > exceed the Seth LLoyd bound for the universe) must be conscious. Note > this latter type of device was used in Searles Chinese Room argument, > and I think needs to be answered the same way Dennett answers the > Chinese Room argument. > > At some point on the complexity scale, recordings go from being not > conscious to conscious. Where do you draw the line? I'm afraid > intuition does not help much in this matter, which is why I say it is > a weakness of the MGA. > > Cheers > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret > (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
