On 24 Jul 2015, at 18:33, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> John Clark knows that's not exactly what was asked but if a
better definition of "you" is given a better answer will be provided.
> It has been given, and we have agreed on it.
We agreed (or I thought we had) that "you" means anyone who
remembers being a man in Helsinki. But of course
ICT1PAT3P
> We don't need a better definition of "you", we need only to
take into account that the question is about the first person
experience [blah blah]
And by referring to THE first person experience rather
than A first person experience Bruno Marchal completely
contradicts what was agreed on. But of course ICT1PAT3P
> the first person experience from the first person experience
pov itself.
Please define again what the word "you" means without circularity
(without using the very word to be defined) and with the proper
usage of the words "a" and "the" in a world with people duplicating
machines.
> I have no clue how you can maintain "W and M", except by
confusing 1-you and 3-1-you. In the math part, it is the
confusion between [etc and etc]
Save time, save electrons, use YCT1PAT3P.
Wonderful. I see that you see the point. But the "YCT1PAT3P" (that
is the confusion between the 1p pov and the 3p pov) is explained in
the [etc and etc] that you juste hide.
Your method are transparent.
If you have an argument that we can understand, give it to us, and
explain. Find a new one avoiding the YCT1PAT3P (your stupid acronym
for the 1-3 confusion, that is, your mysterious amnesy of the
interview of the copies).
Hmm... Let me still make a try to help you, or me (who knows?).
Let me ask you a new question, with a different protocol/history. You
are in Helsinki, and you want to go to Moscow. But there is a bad
whether and no planes, and you decide to teleport you in Moscow,
where, incidentally we met.
Up to now I hope you are OK that you feel to be in Moscow, in some
clear and definite sense.
But I have a bad news. There has been some Eve who has eavesdropped
your "Helsinki-code" during the transmission to Moscow. I don't know
if there has been a reconstitution made of that copy, still less where
if it is the case. All I know is that there has been that copy by Eve.
And, I don't dare to tell you. I promise you that the teleportation
was safe, and secure. I was wrong, but as I am not sure it is serious,
I tell you nothing about it for now.
The question is do you think that such information would influence the
personal feeling of where you feel to be (in Moscow)?
Put in other way, would the presence of a (diverged, post duplication)
doppelanger influence your belief that you are, right now, in front of
only Russian people in Moscow?
Bruno
John K Clark
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