On 27 Jul 2015, at 22:21, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
> "you" refer to the guy in Helsinki, and its copies which are
in W and M.
Ok good, this time Bruno Marchal correctly wrote W AND M.
You just betray yourself that for you only the 3-views exists. This
has a name eliminative materialism.
This explain why you don't want to interview the copies. I guess you
will never do that.
As Quentin said: case closed.
Bruno
> But, in Helsinki, the question is about what you [ the
guy in Helsinki, and its copies which are in W and M] expect to
live
Then obviously "you" would expect to live in W and M,
provided that "you" was rational, if not then all bets are off as to
what "you" would expect. Not that expectations, correct ones or
incorrect ones, have anything to do with consciousness or the unique
feeling of self.
> as next first person experience.
Bruno forgot a "s", if should be "next first person
experiences"
> And here computationalism provides the solution: it can only
be one experience among W and M.
What does the pronoun "it" in the above refer to? I suspect the
answer is "one experience among W and M" in which case I
agree, one experience among W and M can only be one
experience among W and M.
> a computer in one room cannot get the information of another
computer in another room without being connected to it.
If 2 computers are the same and start running the same program at
the same time then they don't need to be connected and exchange
information in order to be synchronized. That's why talk about
telepathy is ridiculous.
> You are in W and you are in M, but that say nothing about the
subjective first person experience, which is what we are looking
about in step 3.
That is true, step 3 is indeed about looking for the subjective
person experience after the duplication has occurred, and that is
exactly why I refuse to read step 4. There is no such thing as THE
future first person experience, there is only a future first
person experience
> You have agreed that their subjective experiences, being in M
and being in W, have become incompatible.
They are incompatible with each other but neither is incompatible
with the Helsinki Man (aka you).
> a child can see that they all agrees with the W v M prediction
Then get that child to fix step 3 for you, after the kid has
corrected your errors then I'll read step 4.
John K Clark
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