On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:22, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> This illustrate well the notion of first person plural, and
show that both in Comp and [blah blah]
You and I are in Helsinki, and we will both enter the annihilation-
duplication box. Your bet is P(W & M) = 1,
I understand that Mr. You is now in Helsinki but Mr. You has no
idea what P(W & M) = 1 means.
How many times this need to be repeated.
I will repeat it 100^100 times, but not one more. You could also
consult the papers, or ancient post.
W refers to the experience of self-localization done after opening the
door after the duplication of the step 3 protocole (cut in Helsinki,
and paste in M and in W).
Then you told me that you predict that you will *experience* W and M.
Which is already a nonsense, as obviously nobody can experience two
cities at once FROM THE FIRST PERSON VIEW (without telepathy or
special apparatus absent per default in the step 3 protocol).
It is your prediction. The prediction that you will feel to be in both
city at once.
Please explain exactly what the bet is.
You will push on the button, in the cut and double paste of the step 3
protocol, and you have been asked to predict if you will see one city
or two cities. And if one city, which one, with which expectation.
> No ambiguity in pronouns at all,
Correct, this time the ambiguity is in P(W & M) = 1
*you* told me that P(W & M) = 1.
You seem to forget that W refers to an experience, a subjective
sensation of seeing something after opening a door.
P(W & M) is not ambiguous, it is simply wrong.
P(W & M) = 0, as none of the copies will write in the diary: I
opened the door and saw the cities of Washington and Moscow fused
together. All copies wrote: I opened the door and saw only one city,
and all write down the name of the unique city they saw, in their
personal memory/diary, and all the description are ether M or W.,
making P(W v M) true.
It is because we use the definition based on the personal memory for
the identity, that we understand the divergence, and the P(one city) =
1, and thus the P(W v M) = 1. Then by numerical identity, assumed in
the assumption of the right comp level, P(W) = P(M) = 1/2 is the
simplest reasonable expectation, in that simple protocol, like "white
noise" is the simplest reasonable expectation in its iteration.
I think you need just to keep in mind that W and M do not refer to
city, or body, nor even to first person experience that we can
attribute to an other. W and M refer to the proposition describing the
subjective experience the helsinki guy get when opening the, or a if
you prefer, reconstitution box. You agree that the experience
diverges, and the question is about the expectation of the outcomes
making that divergence.
The prediction is written in the diary in Helsinki.
Exemples:
I predict that I will find myself in a reconstitution box in front of
a door.
I predict that whatever the city I will find myself in, I will drink a
cup of coffee.
I predict that after opening the door of the reconstitution box, I
will see only one city, among Washington and Moscow.
And the quality of the prediction is measured by sampling what has
been written in the diaries of the copies. In this case there is only
two diaries, and we can see that the predictions have all been
confirmed, as both diaries describes the experience of seeing a door,
opening a door and seeing, ..., a well defined unique city, among
Washington and Moscow.
All right?
Bruno
John K Clark
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