On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> I understand that Mr. You is now in Helsinki but Mr. You has no idea >> what P(W & M) = 1 means. > > > > > How many times this need to be repeated. > Until it is not gibberish. > > > W refers to the experience of self-localization done after opening the > door after the duplication > So the probability the Helsinki Man aka you will self-localize (Pompous-speak for see) Washington is 1. > > > cut in Helsinki, and paste in M and in W > So the probability the Helsinki Man aka you will self-localize Moscow is 1. So the probability the Helsinki Man, aka you, will see both cities is ___ [fill in the blank] > >> >> Please explain exactly what the bet is. > > > > > You will push on the button, in the cut and double paste of the step 3 > protocol, and you have been asked to predict if you will see one city or > two cities. > That's 3 usages of that damn personal pronoun in just 33 words, and so John Clark will ask for the 100^100 time , *WHO THE HELL IS "YOU" ?!* John K Clark > And if one city, which one, with which expectation. > > > > > > > >> > >> No ambiguity in pronouns at all, >> > > Correct, this time the ambiguity is in > P(W & M) = 1 > > > *you* told me that P(W & M) = 1. > > You seem to forget that W refers to an experience, a subjective sensation > of seeing something after opening a door. > > P(W & M) is not ambiguous, it is simply wrong. > > P(W & M) = 0, as none of the copies will write in the diary: I opened the > door and saw the cities of Washington and Moscow fused together. All copies > wrote: I opened the door and saw only one city, and all write down the name > of the unique city they saw, in their personal memory/diary, and all the > description are ether M or W., making P(W v M) true. > > It is because we use the definition based on the personal memory for the > identity, that we understand the divergence, and the P(one city) = 1, and > thus the P(W v M) = 1. Then by numerical identity, assumed in the > assumption of the right comp level, P(W) = P(M) = 1/2 is the simplest > reasonable expectation, in that simple protocol, like "white noise" is the > simplest reasonable expectation in its iteration. > > I think you need just to keep in mind that W and M do not refer to city, > or body, nor even to first person experience that we can attribute to an > other. W and M refer to the proposition describing the subjective > experience the helsinki guy get when opening the, or a if you prefer, > reconstitution box. You agree that the experience diverges, and the > question is about the expectation of the outcomes making that divergence. > > The prediction is written in the diary in Helsinki. > Exemples: > > I predict that I will find myself in a reconstitution box in front of a > door. > I predict that whatever the city I will find myself in, I will drink a cup > of coffee. > I predict that after opening the door of the reconstitution box, I will > see only one city, among Washington and Moscow. > > And the quality of the prediction is measured by sampling what has been > written in the diaries of the copies. In this case there is only two > diaries, and we can see that the predictions have all been confirmed, as > both diaries describes the experience of seeing a door, opening a door and > seeing, ..., a well defined unique city, among Washington and Moscow. > > All right? > > Bruno > > > > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
