On 08 Feb 2016, at 00:22, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Indeed, with respect to immortality, an artificial brain is
vain, but if you want elongated your "normal" physical (arising from
the sigma_1 probability calculus), then you need to make your actual
brain to continue
No I don't, I just have to make something that behaves as my
original biological brain did because none of the atoms in my brain
have the name "John K Clark" scratched on them. One Hydrogen atom
is as good as another.
of course. But you need your actual brain to continue. never said that
this or that hydrogen atom is needed to have your brain, and you know
that, so you begin at once you dishnest rethoric.
> but then you can expect to pay the price in the normal
worlds, and knowing the humans, and the concrete doctors, that might
be risky.
If you are correct please specify exactly what that risk is and
explain how not getting frozen would avoid that risk.
That was just wwhat I have done, but you need to understand the step
3, so I don't insist, and you have shown to be irrational on this
since a long time.
> Your remark reminds me the critics against the MWers: why
don't you jump out of the window instead of using the lift, given
that you will survive in some worlds.
I like the Many Worlds Interpretation and think it's superior
to any competing interpretation that I know of, but I'm not so
confident it's correct that I'd bet my life on it. Bruno, I know
you're certain
No. I have no certainty, and I have never expose any of my opinions on
this. It is private matter.
but there is a question you need to ask yourself " besides being
certain am I also correct?".
We don't do religion here, but science, where we never know if we are
correct. Science is only belief, in the mundane sense. You are the one
who talk like if he was sure.
> Answers the probability is hig that you survive with your
quality life deteriorated.
That answer makes no sense. If Many Worlds is correct then even if I
decide not to jump out of the window in this universe in another
universe I will decide to do so and I will
die as a result. And in yet another universe I will
also decide to jump out of the window but this time
I don't die, I just break my spinal cord and become a
quadriplegic. If the MWI is correct everything that can happen will
happen.
You need to take into account the *relative* probabilities. Again, you
did not, both on step 3, and in the non-locality discussion on FOAR.
So I will not try to explain.
>> So if you're right I don't see what good keeping it
secret would do.
> To avoid becoming a victim by a hunters of those poor humans
non-encrypted code.
But if you're right (and I don't think you are) and physical
implementation is unnecessary and the mere existence of a Godel
number can create intelligence and consciousness then all those bad
things are going to happen to you regardless of if a human or
anything else plugs your Godel number into a physical computer.
Nope. You need to take into account the *relative* probabilities. What
you decide to do augment or diminish the probability of the possible
happenings.
Well, your only progress those year is in being coherent: now you
seems to make the same error in QM and in Mechanism.
> there are much simplest and safe ways to be "immortal", in my
*opinion* (like perhaps smoking salvia divinorum,
Well it's simple I'll give you that, the active ingredient in
salvia divinorum has only 23 Carbon atoms 28 Hydrogen atoms and 8
Oxygen atoms, but I don't see how a arrangement of matter that
simple could make you immortal.
It can help some people to understand that the idea that we have
primitively material brain is hypothetical. It can help to doubt
Aristotle theology, which is needed to believe that when the brain
stop functioning physically, you die in some absolute way.
> which is about the same as dying, at least in some theory/
interpretation of the experience).
They may have had the experience of taking the drug but they
have not had the experience of dying so I don't see how they could
know that one is like the other.
In science we never know, but salvia can help to conceive and
understand some points capable of making you into shaking prejudices
or unconscious dogma.
> What would you choose, John, if I give you the choice between
a yellow pill and a green pill?:
- the yellow pill makes you immortal,
- the green pill eliminates completely the fear of death.
I would take he Yellow pill without hesitation.
I expected that answer.
I would never take the green pill because without the fear of death
I would have died many decades ago; that's why Evolution
invented fear as soon as it invented brains.
Fear of wounds and pain is enough. The fear of death is more an
impediment in life that we think. In fact without fear of death, the
politics would have it harder to exploit fake theologies to control
people.
Bruno
John K Clark
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